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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:40 pm 
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Revenant wrote:
I'd like to advise not watching this video at work because the "background" is basically cropped Princess Peach hentai.


I try not to be a prude, but there's always been a really seedy, gross underside to the ROM hacking community that makes the whole thing look bad. If I ran RHDN, I'd kick all the "bad hacks" people out of the community. Let cartoon porn addicts, neo-nazis, and people who like mocking people with AIDS have their own site.

It's not just the heavy-handed moderation, I'd be embarrassed to be a part of that community today.

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probably because the people doing these hacks don't have the time, interest, or knowledge to create a completely brand new game. Game engines take crazy amounts of time and effort.


I've had to explain that dozens of times to people when it comes to the MSU1. "Why not just make a brand new game?" -- because this can be done in two hours instead of ten years.

I will say though, I think everyone starts on ROM hacking thinking it'll be less work and faster, but sometimes you end up with hacks like Pokemon Prism and you hit a kind of sunk cost fallacy effect. I can't really believe the eight years those developers spent hacking that game wouldn't have been better spent writing a new game from scratch like Uranium did.

However, I understand how they got themselves into that position. No one has a crystal ball.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:46 pm 
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Espozo wrote:
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It distracts the player from gameplay, creating a cognitive difficulty, and sex sells.

They should have also done FMV and had porn playing in the background.


Nice idea! If I knew more about SMW hacking and the MSU, I would definitely do that.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:01 am 
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byuu wrote:
Revenant wrote:
I'd like to advise not watching this video at work because the "background" is basically cropped Princess Peach hentai.


I try not to be a prude, but there's always been a really seedy, gross underside to the ROM hacking community that makes the whole thing look bad. If I ran RHDN, I'd kick all the "bad hacks" people out of the community. Let cartoon porn addicts, neo-nazis, and people who like mocking people with AIDS have their own site.

It's not just the heavy-handed moderation, I'd be embarrassed to be a part of that community today.


I believe that's called Newgrounds. Once flash is no longer in the browser, I expect that site's entire game section to evaporate since everything would have to be downloaded to be played.

byuu wrote:
koitsu wrote:
probably because the people doing these hacks don't have the time, interest, or knowledge to create a completely brand new game. Game engines take crazy amounts of time and effort.


I've had to explain that dozens of times to people when it comes to the MSU1. "Why not just make a brand new game?" -- because this can be done in two hours instead of ten years.

I will say though, I think everyone starts on ROM hacking thinking it'll be less work and faster, but sometimes you end up with hacks like Pokemon Prism and you hit a kind of sunk cost fallacy effect. I can't really believe the eight years those developers spent hacking that game wouldn't have been better spent writing a new game from scratch like Uranium did.

However, I understand how they got themselves into that position. No one has a crystal ball.


There's two sides to this coin, A: Romhacks are a good way to demonstrate what you can do with -that- game engine that maybe wasn't thought of, and re-inventing the wheel takes time. It can be used to translate and fix bugs in existing games without going to the original developer. B: romhacks are a detriment to getting new game content, and invite lawsuits and even more piracy.

One thing that I find severely disappointing is when I see RePro's on eBay. Sure Super Mario RPG and Chrono Trigger's English version costs more than $100, but that is no excuse to buy a 8$ SFC JP version and burn a new maskrom and then resell it for $50. Like who are these people trying to fool? What is worse is that I've seen fan translations of games sold this way. I've seen Repro's at the local used game place (FF5? SNES cart? really?) and I didn't want to point it out since the person working there might not care.

Which goes back to reasons for doing romhacks. In the case of SMW hacks, there is now "Mario Maker" for the Wii U and you can record those on youtube and share the stages. If all you wanted to do was make mario levels, there you go. If you want to do more than that, then it's back to clever romhacks.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:10 am 
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I see nothing wrong with repros. Playing on the original hw is best, and for things like translated JP-only games it's either that, emulator, or flashcart, and for a casual player a flashcart may be too expensive.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:34 am 
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koitsu wrote:
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Spectacular. But why use precious time on hentai and hacks when they should be making original Mode-7 showoff games?

If this question was posed seriously, then my serious answer would be: probably because the people doing these hacks don't have the time, interest, or knowledge to create a completely brand new game. Game engines take crazy amounts of time and effort
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it's one of many reasons I don't do actual games, instead preferring reverse-engineering and improving/tweaking an existing thing.

Oh, I certainly understand this -- hacking / RE'ing can be done in dribs and drabs, and one still feels refreshed and excited, most of the time. Not so with large, single-goal programming projects.

But I was being 75% not serious, and Byuu rightly got to the gross crux of the matter. :]

(kinda also like when I hear an absolutely awesome Famicom chiptune composition, and there's a DPCM girl screeching on overtop of the whole song. Love the technical artistry, now get out of the house for once!!!)

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