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Author:  Alp [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:56 am ]
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@Espozo
I was professionally trained in animation at a hentai studio, when I was doing unpaid intern work.
After school, I started drawing porn, to keep myself fed. I don't see what's wrong with that.

My disgust with porn-shaming behaviour, comes from the fact that good artists have left, or worse,
hurt themselves from assholes bullying them about their trade.

Hearing "waste of talent", or "you're a loser" gets to people over time.



@Tepples
A much better option to KickStarter, though it's been abused just as much, if not more--
To be honest? Patreon. I still hate crowd-funding, but this one has dynamic payment, to mitigate scamming.

The content creator wastes funds, or stops producing content? Cut the funding, and move on. Simple.
As far as KickStarter is concerned, scamming IS the standard.



@Dougeff
If it wasn't obvious from the "oops" in my cancellation post, the image removal was
not intentional. I just nuked out my Imgur account, to get my art off of NintendoAge.

I have the image uploads archived, so I could edit my posts to re-upload them.



@Nameguy
I'm sorry about the cancellation, but if I'm making a game for a community like that, it's not worth the stress. A series of rude e-mails in my inbox, was the final nail in the coffin to making games.

Being honest, and telling you, is better than wasting any more of your time with this.

I haven't thrown the game in the trash, I threw it on Google Drive, so I don't have to look at it, anymore.

I may revisit Cat Quest in the future, but that day is far off. If at all.



@Kasumi
Oh, please don't give out my Twitter! I'd rather people just forget about me, and my work.

Yeah, the CHR files are all still there. The image removal was an accident on my part.
Who said I removed my online gallery?! It's still over here (NSFW warning):
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/icelink256/

I did delete my personal portfolio, however. For reasons listed below.



CollectorVision offered to help me finish Cat Quest, but that wasn't the problem. I declined the offer.
After completing some sprite work for him, I will be quitting game design altogether.

As a sign of good faith, I will be GIVING him Anna Fuda: Project Eden, including the script, art and characters.

Here's to my first (and only!) year of making games for the Western market. Amazing.
(To compare, I made games for the Asian market, for 15 years, with minimal issues.)

But who cares what I think? I'm just a "mentally unstable" rich brat, who draws breasts for cash.
Their words (Nintendo Age), not mine.

Author:  Kasumi [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:49 am ]
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I'll respect your wishes and edit it out of my post. As far as saying you deleted your online gallery, I was speaking generally not about you. Lots of artists delete their galleries, so I make a habit of saving anything I want to see again. I had no idea about your personal portfolio deletion or any other thing.

Author:  dougeff [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:35 am ]
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Hey Alp,

"Success is the best revenge"

Your work was good. Keep at it...somewhere...maybe PC/tablet/smart phone game development?

Author:  rainwarrior [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:27 pm ]
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Alp wrote:
I'm making a game for a community like that...

NintendoAge is a very insular community. I don't consider them representative of people who are interested in NES games at large. They're a tiny niche within that with a somewhat narrow focus, mostly a collector's forum.

Don't think of them as your audience. They're only a tiny subset of people who wanna play new NES games.

Author:  tepples [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:28 pm ]
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rainwarrior wrote:
Don't think of [NintendoAge] as your audience. They're only a tiny subset of people who wanna play new NES games.

But how big is NintendoAge as a fraction of those willing to pay for new NES games, as opposed to those who play only games released as a download without charge?

Author:  rainwarrior [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:34 pm ]
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tepples wrote:
rainwarrior wrote:
Don't think of [NintendoAge] as your audience. They're only a tiny subset of people who wanna play new NES games.

But how big is NintendoAge as a fraction of those willing to pay for new NES games, as opposed to those who play only games released as a download without charge?

Still a tiny fraction, IMO.

I think you're describing NintendoAge vs NesDev. NesDev is not a representative audience either, but it's a completely different cross section of Nintendo enthusiasts (who definitely do largely prefer software, especially free software, over tangible things). This is my point, though, each of these communities is only a small slice of a much bigger hobby. Like minded people collect at these places, you're not getting a good survey from it.

Author:  GradualGames [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:08 am ]
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I feel alp brought this on himself. The original comment which set him off over on NA was actually a compliment---saying his game was good enough to be a high-profile kickstarter project. Instead of saying something like: "well, I'm not really into kickstarter, but I assume you meant you think my game is good!" he acted kind of immature. People first called him out on this, and not in an unkind fashion. It began to unravel from there. It all could have been prevented. The guy's talented, but is also massively immature to match that talent, unfortunately. I hope he changes his mind at some point in the future. as long as he doesn't put any penises in Cat Quest

Author:  Alp [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:09 pm ]
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GradualGames wrote:
I feel alp brought this on himself. The original comment which set him off over on NA was actually a compliment---saying his game was good enough to be a high-profile kickstarter project. Instead of saying something like: "well, I'm not really into kickstarter, but I assume you meant you think my game is good!" he acted kind of immature. People first called him out on this, and not in an unkind fashion. It began to unravel from there. It all could have been prevented. The guy's talented, but is also massively immature to match that talent, unfortunately. I hope he changes his mind at some point in the future. as long as he doesn't put any penises in Cat Quest


They did not call me out on anything, and what does "maturity" have to do with this?

I said KickStarter is stupid, they said "what the hell", I said "I hate people who are lazy", they said "income" I said "I'm not in it for the money, my family are rich pieces of shit, and I had to work my ass off for what I have now." Implying that, I may have a more extreme view on people not putting effort into their work.

They called me a rich brat, the ONE thing I worked my entire life to shy away from.
So in response, I quit the homebrew community, completely.

Maturity had NOTHING to do with it. Experience does.

Or are you just one of those people who uses the word "age", and "mature" as a way to feel superior to other people you don't like? As an artist, I've had to deal with your type, before. All of them hate pornographic art. I wonder if there's a connection.

I'll have you know, that "Aika", the heroine of Cat Quest was originally designed for a porn game.

Cat Quest has no adult content, but if I ever work on it again (very unlikely), rest assured, I will be adding an opening splash screen with a GIANT DICK, with your name on it! :twisted:

...How's that, for an ACTUAL act of immaturity?

Author:  GradualGames [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:57 pm ]
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Alp, I sincerely like what you were working on. That's all I'll say. I think I'm not the only person here or on NA that would love to see it come to life. Though I do think you'll find a bigger audience if you veer away from the porn material.

Author:  3gengames [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:33 pm ]
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NA loves to defend their shitty games made by shitty people who don't program anything correctly, stably, or well at all. Who cares about them?

Author:  Drag [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:31 pm ]
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GradualGames wrote:
Alp, I sincerely like what you were working on. That's all I'll say. I think I'm not the only person here or on NA that would love to see it come to life. Though I do think you'll find a bigger audience if you veer away from the porn material.


Regarding adult material, I honestly think there's nothing to worry about, and this strange fixation a lot of people have on someone who produces adult content potentially throwing it into their other stuff willy nilly is completely ridiculous. You saw all the games and mock-ups in this thread, you didn't see any explicit adult material, did you? Bingo, someone who's drawn adult stuff before is capable of drawing non-adult stuff and not injecting weiners and boobies everywhere they go! I don't understand why so many people are so weird about this. :roll:

Author:  GradualGames [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:13 am ]
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I'm much less concerned with the presence or absence of porn---all I want to see is for Alp to stop caring so much about what others think and finish his beautiful game. That's it. I will happily buy it if it gets finished, even if it has me on a penis. I'd be honored.

Author:  Alp [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Newcomer to NES programming

GradualGames wrote:
Alp, I sincerely like what you were working on. That's all I'll say. I think I'm not the only person here or on NA that would love to see it come to life. Though I do think you'll find a bigger audience if you veer away from the porn material.


Well, I wouldn't go as far to say that. I'm a rather well-known hentai artist in Japan! :P
(I was personally mentored by one of the most influential artists in the industry. He taught me how to animate, which was amazing.)

Drag wrote:
Regarding adult material, I honestly think there's nothing to worry about, and this strange fixation a lot of people have on someone who produces adult content potentially throwing it into their other stuff willy nilly is completely ridiculous. You saw all the games and mock-ups in this thread, you didn't see any explicit adult material, did you? Bingo, someone who's drawn adult stuff before is capable of drawing non-adult stuff and not injecting weiners and boobies everywhere they go! I don't understand why so many people are so weird about this. :roll:


The reason I hadn't posted adult content here, even my NES-restricted stuff, was actually to avoid being banned for breaking the forum rule of posting pornography, relevant or not--

Also, if corporations like Disney followed that logic, then they'd have no animators!
I personally know 3 people who currently work for Disney who have or still draw porn, and even then, several of their older, retired artists were known to.

Drag wrote:
injecting weiners and boobies

This statement is almost appropriate, the only homebrew game I *didn't* drop was an adult game that's just that. Dicks, and boobs, everywhere! But does it affect the quality? No.

This project is a birthday gift for a friend, and uses a programming trick for parallaxing. No sprites are shown here, because dicks are present. (Ignore the skip at the end, that's where I cut the recording.)
Image

It's an adult parody of SonSon, with no pornographic content, just nudity.
It's *not* meant to be taken seriously, it's just a silly, two player arcade game.

GradualGames wrote:
I'm much less concerned with the presence or absence of porn---all I want to see is for Alp to stop caring so much about what others think and finish his beautiful game. That's it. I will happily buy it if it gets finished, even if it has me on a penis. I'd be honored.


I don't care what others think. I care how the community around a site claiming to be a "resource" to developers behaves.

That dick statement was in jest by the way, as an attempt to prove a point about my views.
Simply put, there's nothing wrong with porn.

...If I do decide to finish Cat Quest one day, it will be released quietly, and without announcement.
This was never for profit, or recognition, it was for fun. That fun is gone.

Author:  lidnariq [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:37 pm ]
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I don't really have anything useful to say... just that I'm sad that this happened.

Alp, best wishes!

Author:  Myask [ Fri May 20, 2016 7:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Newcomer to NES programming

dougeff wrote:
Sucks, huh? I'd love to see these games finished too.(edited)

Alp wrote:
I have the image uploads archived, so I could edit my posts to re-upload them.
Please.
Alp wrote:
I'm sorry about the cancellation, but if I'm making a game for a community like that,

Well, I'm not NintendoAge.
dougeff wrote:
Hey Alp,

"Success is the best revenge"

It's usually rendered as "living well", isn't it?
lidnariq wrote:
I don't really have anything useful to say... just that I'm sad that this happened.

Alp, best wishes!


A shame about the forum rules. One wonders if there could be an easement, or if we've got a Two Internets thing going on where our chaining-of-rules goes up to the hosting entity.

Nice parallax, btw.

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