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Author:  Espozo [ Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Quite Possibly the Most Ambitious NES Port Ever (Concept)

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Author:  psycopathicteen [ Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:18 pm ]
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This has both clever palette choices and clever uses for sprites and backgrounds.

I don't really like the white in the character. Too much contrast with the somewhat dark purple and blue. I'm thinking a light blue would work better. I don't think you need that grey, so you can replace it with the dark red color you're using.

Author:  OneCrudeDude [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:09 am ]
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Never mind the sprite flicker, what about the slowdown?

While the picture does look very nice, I can't help but feel that the detailing is a bit TOO busy for the NES' capabilities. It's kind of hard to look at at times, basically.

Author:  Espozo [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:23 am ]
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OneCrudeDude wrote:
Never mind the sprite flicker, what about the slowdown?

Well, then it will be even more accurate to the source material. :wink:

Author:  Bregalad [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:59 am ]
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What, what, do you mean, the NES is supposed to be able to render that image ?!

Author:  tepples [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:07 pm ]
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It doesn't look too far off from what has been done on NES. The explosions aren't any bigger than those in the NES game Thwaite; they just look more like popcorn. And both the floor and the craft above it can be drawn as background. With CHR ROM banking, there isn't much of a 256 tile limit.

Author:  tokumaru [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:15 pm ]
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tepples wrote:
With CHR ROM banking, there isn't much of a 256 tile limit.

Or with MMC5's extended attributes.

Author:  Espozo [ Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:57 pm ]
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Well, here's an "improved" version:

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Here's a picture of how it originally looked (well, not exactly, but you get the idea.): (I hate how vibrant the NES's color palette is. I couldn't find a brown that didn't look straight up red, so I just used grey for the plane. The same situation happened with the train):

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Now, I have absolutely no clue how you'd transfer this scene:

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Author:  OneCrudeDude [ Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:46 am ]
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Do a Kid Niki and make that take a sprite while the ship is a BG object that moves around. Of course, the Tank is too big to be used as a sprite, so only use around 16 pixels or so.

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Alternatively, just remove the tank entirely and just walk around on the ground to shoot the boss. I find it amazing what sorts of workarounds and creative liberties contract developers had to come up with when it came to ports.

Author:  Espozo [ Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:40 pm ]
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OneCrudeDude wrote:
Alternatively, just remove the tank entirely and just walk around on the ground to shoot the boss.

If you mean the train, (the thing the player is standing on) I'm not sure how that would work. The whole level is fought on the train and you go to the front of it, which you are seeing there. I know this really isn't practical and that the developers would never do something like this, but could you actually have it to where the boss and the train are both BGs? You'd have tiles of the train moving around and the scrolling counter acting it so it looks like the boss is flying around. (The boss would use more than one palette, unlike the train.) I don't even know how this would work without making a million different tiles and I imagine processing it all would be a nightmare... Because of how the NES uses tiles, would it actually be possible to have hardware in the cart that renders the tiles of the train moving? I guess you could do this with CHR ram and some sort of enhancement chip?

Author:  tepples [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:03 am ]
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You could have a second PPU that produces tile data. This is how Wide Boy works. But for the price of designing such an ASIC, you could already have made your own game console out of an ARM SoC.

Author:  tokumaru [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:14 am ]
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I think that the obvious fix would be to not have the train and the boss overlap. Would that change the gameplay much?

Author:  Espozo [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:26 am ]
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tokumaru wrote:
I think that the obvious fix would be to not have the train and the boss overlap. Would that change the gameplay much?

Even if they don't overlap, you still need all the tiles of the train moving, unless you want the boss to float in one place...

Author:  tokumaru [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:36 am ]
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As long as they don't overlap (and I mean vertically overlap, so even if they are horizontally apart that'd be overlapping), you can move both the train and the enemy freely, in both axes.

Author:  OneCrudeDude [ Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quite Possibly the Most Ambitious NES Port Ever (Concept

Predator does something similar for the big-mode stages.

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Arnold has been rendered as a background image, while everything else, including the mid-air platforms, are sprites that scroll. So what you could do is have the floor and tank be the lower layer, and the flying machine to be the upper layer. That means the machine can't fly below the tank and touch the floor, limiting its area of movement. You could move it horizontally, though, and I'm pretty sure you could make the machine fly 'under' the tank, by performing some sort of overlapping trick. So I'd say you should have the tank take up most of the horizontal space, since if the machine were to go under the "blank area", it might disappear? I actually wonder.

It wasn't uncommon for NES ports of arcade games to either rework some aspects (the mazes in the Contra bases for example) or to cut stages out entirely.

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