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Author:  psycopathicteen [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:  City Background

I'm making a background for my SNES game. I haven't analyzed colors yet, but I want to keep it within 4 palettes and 512 tiles, just to leave room for the other 2 layers. Anybody have some constructive criticism? There are parts that I like, such as the bridge, the Jetsons-like building, the billboard, the clock tower, but some I feel need improvement like brown building, the grey building and the orange building. I also feel like there's too much empty space, even though that probably won't be a problem with the far background behind it.

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Author:  dougeff [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:12 pm ]
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Perspective is off.

http://www.drawinghowtodraw.com/drawing ... ctive.html

The only thing that is really proper perspective is that 'show girls' sign, and maybe the building in the back.

Also, size of buildings. If a window is reasonably up to 10 feet wide, then that building to the left of the 'show girls' sign looks like its about 30 feet by 30 feet, tops. Actual buildings are usually over 100 feet, maybe even 300+ feet long.

Author:  FrankenGraphics [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

I think it's good you leave uneven space for the second layer to show through. The yellow-light brown building is the one that stands out as aesthetically different, if that is enough confirmation on what you already wrote in the OP. The scene reminds me of the mixed architecture at current time alexanderplatz, though seen through a sci fi cartoon shimmer.


I tthought the warped perspective was intended? Whether or not, if anyone's interested, Martin Jay's article on scopic regimes is relevant and a good short read for any artist working with scenes or generally interested in the craft of projecting a state of perception unto the viewer.

Author:  psycopathicteen [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:28 pm ]
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WheelInventor wrote:
I think it's good you leave uneven space for the second layer to show through. The yellow-light brown building is the one that stands out as aesthetically different, if that is enough confirmation on what you already wrote in the OP. The scene reminds me of the mixed architecture at current time alexanderplatz, though seen through a sci fi cartoon shimmer.


I think the perspective is intended? Whether or not, if anyone's interested, Martin Jay's article on scopic regimes is relevant and a good short read for any artist working with scenes or generally interested in the craft of projecting a state of perception unto the viewer.


Which one do you mean by yellow-light brown? The one next to the bill board?

Author:  tokumaru [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

dougeff wrote:
Perspective is off.

That's common in 2D games. Or are you going to tell me that the perspective in the Donkey Kong Country series makes any sense? There's no need to draw realistic background for games with stylized characters.

Author:  FrankenGraphics [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

No, i thought about the more vivid one, over to the left. My first thought was that it stood out, not only in colours but also in style. Whether this is good or bad is up to you.

Maybe, the one next to the billboard ought perhaps to be edited, realigned, or placed on the layer behind, or something. Personally, i like the warped perspectives, but this one stands out as a little more warped than the others, maybe because it is in so close proximity to the billboard.

EDIT: OR, you could place the billboard slightly in front of the building and see what effect that would have.

Author:  dougeff [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

Maybe you could do a more minimalist city-scape...

I have no idea what this is from, Google found it for me...

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Author:  darryl.revok [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:40 pm ]
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One of those buildings looks like corn to me.

Other than that, I think it looks pretty good.

Author:  FrankenGraphics [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:46 pm ]
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Smaller detail, it may come across as a bit unfinished where there are no windows where the bridge is in front of the beige building.

Author:  psycopathicteen [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

I think the light brown building next to the billboard should be more peach, with a lighter shadow, and maybe it should be placed in front of the bridge. Also, I think part of the bridge can be filled up to avoid wasting too many tiles and having attribute problems.

Author:  dougeff [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

Quote:
Donkey Kong Country


There's not alot of buildings in this game, but you're right, the perspective is all over the place in this factory...

https://youtu.be/whp2Y_MjTXs#t=67m24s

Author:  psycopathicteen [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

I like this color scheme a little bit better, but I think the blue windows look a little too strong now.

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Author:  dougeff [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:31 pm ]
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Final Fight has some good buildings...

https://youtu.be/2qCN-YOi14o#t=41m0s

In this video, I like how the building side is either perpendicular to you or angled toward the right. And the windows seem the right size.

Author:  FrankenGraphics [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: City Background

Regarding colour schemes, i think you could work with warmth/cold to convey the sense of depth you might be looking for. You could try to use cold, green, blue, teal and gray for objects you wish to be percieved as more distant than the others, and orange, peach, gold, tan, old computer beige, brown etc for objects closer to the player's point of view (the house in front of the bridge, for example).

That'd also work well with your new windows, ie, closer buildings will have sharply defined windows due to the warm/cold contrast, and more distant buildings will feel less distinct since the blue for the window panes is already cold.

Author:  rainwarrior [ Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:01 pm ]
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The perspective is poor if you're going for realism, buildings normally align with each other (think of the streets between them), etc...

However I think it all fits with the style of your character art. I said before that your main character kinda reminds me of a plastic toy doll. This stuff fits with that, the jumble of buildings with irregular alignment again feels like plastic toys. Maybe part of it is the white sky suggesting this story takes place on a model table in a photographic studio.

The blue building on the left has weird lighting. The flat face of a building should have a mostly flat shade, not a gradient like that. The tan building in the middle does this better, there are textural accents and shaded corners, but each face is a flat shade. The angle of its top-left edge is very steep, which makes its perspective strange as well.

The green arches have a similar problem. The dark area next to the clock-tower could be justified as a shadow but the dark area on the far side might not make sense unless connected to something else, though it doesn't stand out as a problem as much to me. The middle pillar on the arch, though, seems to cut off abruptly, maybe could use a tiny bit of shading to indicate it terminates at the tan bridge.

The orange building stands out too much (very bright), and the extra shading in the corner really makes the shape look warped. It looks like it's being squished, and I think what you were looking for is just a shiny flat glass face. Maybe try not to shade every cell like a bubble; keep the grid frame but give the glass panels a flat shading and draw a highlight across it as if they were one big flat piece of glass. Don't try to treat each one individually like this.

Casting shadows between adjacent buildings might contribute more sense of depth.

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