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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:58 pm 
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I'm considering porting a GameBoy / GameBoy Color demake of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 that I've been working on to the NES. Thoughts?

The NES and GameBoy weren't known for fast-paced fighting game action, so I enjoy the novelty of seeing a game like UMK3 running on the hardware.

Here is a video of some gameplay just released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwoVsvt7luI
EDIT: The video is of the GBC version. The NES version would use the same sprite graphics, but with a larger play field. Flicker would be marginally increased (which you can see occasionally in the video). The GBC demo is complete gameplay-wise. Only major thing missing is making more graphics (which isn't really a challenge from a technical standpoint). The video is to demonstrate that an 8-bit fighting game has potential.

I'm working on getting some more videos up.

I also have a Twitter page to follow the project: https://twitter.com/PortableMK


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:13 pm 
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How long until the Warner Bros. order YouTube to take this down?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:56 pm 
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What you posted was a video of the GBC version, which does exist. I was expecting some footage of your hypothetical NES port, which instead I was greeted by some guy who can't stop talking.

Not to put you down or anything, but I know for a fact you won't finish this game because it is simply too ambitious. Too much ambition will crush your working motive.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:31 am 
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OneCrudeDude wrote:
What you posted was a video of the GBC version, which does exist. I was expecting some footage of your hypothetical NES port, which instead I was greeted by some guy who can't stop talking.


Good point. I've edited to the original post to be more clear, so thanks for the feedback.

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Not to put you down or anything, but I know for a fact you won't finish this game because it is simply too ambitious. Too much ambition will crush your working motive.


Which game? The GBC or NES version? The UMK3 project is not intended to have all the arcade fighters. What you see on the "Select Your Fighter" screen is the roster, which is very manageable. This isn't a 100 fighter mugen project. The NES project/conversion isn't underway yet, I'm just curious if you guys in NES-land have any interest in seeing a fighter game for the system. It's not a problem if you don't, as the GBC project is virtually finished anyway (sans-graphics).

I don't think ambition is such a bad thing as so many people want to believe. Even unfinished projects like Retro City Rampage are still neat to see on the system. And would anyone criticize Super Bat Puncher for still being an unfinished demo? Hell, even things like Tokumaru's NES Sonic mockups are great to see.

Ambition is what motivates us to push the boundaries and reach new heights. "Failure" is not even trying in the first place; especially if it is something that you want to do. And if you really think about it, nothing is ever really "100%" complete. "Complete" is just an idea.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:42 am 
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tepples wrote:
How long until the Warner Bros. order YouTube to take this down?

Probably about as long as it takes Nintendo to take down videos of their games. Oh wait.

(but yeah, if this was a movie it'd be taken down immediately, but a demake of an old game that doesn't even trigger the autoflagging bot? hm...)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:34 am 
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Back in 2009, Arika Ltd. was using OCILLA notices of claimed infringement (which are manual, not autoflags) to take down videos of fan remakes of one of its games, including one of my videos. Square Enix is notorious for cease-and-desists against noncommercial fan remakes of its games. Even Nintendo has been using Content ID (the autoflagging bot) to take the advertising revenue from partners who make Let's Play videos. Ultimately I do want to see fighting games on NES and GBC, but with original art. Using Mortal Kombat characters is like using Bugs Bunny. But I don't know if the similarity between RHDE: Furniture Fight and WB's Rampart makes me a hypocrite.

Now the technical problem: GBC allows up to 10 sprites per scanline, which is half the screen's width. NES allows only 8, which not only produces more flicker with characters of the same size but also is smaller relative to the whole screen. And GBC has 8 sprite palettes compared to the NES's 4, so projectiles would have to share with something.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:08 pm 
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I'd really like to see you port this to the NES. It already is a very cool project, but seeing it on NES would be another highlight.


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I agree with MottZilla I'd love to see this on nes.I'm not going to get into technical limitations as one would assume with your programming skill you've already taken this into consideration.Best of luck too you let us know if you need any assistance.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:45 pm 
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Will the TOASTY guy (sound programmer Dan Forden) be implemented?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:23 pm 
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If he were to be implemented, how would that work on the NES? Would he be a background object that suddenly appears on screen?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:35 pm 
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Dwedit wrote:
Will the TOASTY guy (sound programmer Dan Forden) be implemented?


I considered him for the GB version, but didn't have enough sprites in the tile memory. For NES, I could do the extra sprites, but there would be the additional problem of limited palettes. I think the bigger problem would be him causing the fighters to flicker to much, especially when they are fallen, as they take up the most horizontal space that way.

Currently the GB version uses two palettes on some fighters (Jax, Kung Lao, Shao Kahn, Jade's staff), so all of the NES sprite pallets would be used up on the fighters alone. For the blood, I think I would remove the droplets but keep the splash. The large blood splash is actually an animated background area that merges with the map. This is also how I pull off large projectiles like Scorpion's spear, Reptile's spit, and SubZero's iceblast. The backgrounds (above the floor) are designed to only use 3 of the 4 colors, so that the 4th color can be the projectile or blood splash.

Since I have a fighting engine finished, I was also considering just swapping out the graphics and tweaking the gameplay to create a brand new fighting game. I think for a NES project I would limit the fighter roster to just 5-7 characters.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:41 pm 
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Wait, couldn't toasty guy be done with the window layer?

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Fine on GBC, but use of the window layer on NES would force use of MMC5.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:14 am 
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The NES has a larger space, can't it be just done with sprites, really? I mean, because of the larger space, his head would not overlap the players after all =P


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:08 am 
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Or maybe stick him in a different corner, away from the fighters. Like at the top, peeking down from above.


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