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Post by mic_ » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:44 am

Concentration looks and sounds ok. But what's with the "Revisionist history" theme?

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Post by tepples » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:50 am

mic_ wrote:Looks and sounds ok. But what's with the "Revisionist history" theme?
Imagine the Badds from Bionic Commando running a labor camp for races deemed "subsapient". Then imagine a way for inmates to demonstrate their worth by beating the guards in a mind game.

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Post by Zepper » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:33 pm

- What a terrible name choice...

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Post by tokumaru » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:01 pm

Zepper wrote:- What a terrible name choice...
I guess that's the idea... In portuguese we call this game "jogo da memória" (memory game) but since the english name is "concentration" tepples seems to have made the game take place in a concentration camp...

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Post by Dwedit » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:27 pm

The name is highly offensive.
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Post by tepples » Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:13 pm

Any more offensive than National Lampoon's ADD camp bit? Or the scene in Bionic Commando where Master D's head asplode?

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Post by ccovell » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:07 pm

It shows a twisted sense of humour; one can either laugh at it or be offended.

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Post by Banshaku » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:34 pm

Since I'm used to Tepples humor it didn't offend me but from someone else that see the name out of context.. That's a different story.

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Post by Bregalad » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:54 am

That's where it becomes evident tepples is no european, because here you could have fun on about anything in the world, sex, violence whathever, but never ANYONE would make jokes with world war 2. OK maybe I exaggerate - a blockbuster film that came recently did, but you see the idea.

I know I'm used to tepples' humour, but I still find it offending.
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Post by mic_ » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:23 am

but never ANYONE would make jokes with world war 2.
That might be true in some places in Europe, but certainly not here (in Sweden).

I didn't find it offensive at all, just a really weird theme for an NES puzzle game. Seemed like something the japanese would do ;P

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Post by Jeroen » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:50 am

Also think of "allo allo" which was made by the brits iirc. Also I don't think Tepples is really joking about ww2. It's simply a plot. He changed the swastika (well it seemed that way in irc when I talked to him) cause he was afraid of releasing it in Germany fearing that would be illegal.

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Post by tepples » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:38 am

Jeroen is right that it's just a plot. The NSDAP is hardly the only organization to have run a concentration camp; the UK ran the Boer camp, the US is still trying to close Guantanamo Bay, plenty of countries run POW camps, etc. In this case, I've tried to make the Folkish Labor Party significantly kinder and gentler than the NSDAP: assignment to a camp is based on perceptions associated with race, not religion; inmates lose weight because of government cutbacks, not because of an undertone of extermination; inmates can win their release; etc. Is there a way I should emphasize this more? Perhaps what offends you is that the FLP's logo still looks vaguely like a "swastika with serial numbers filed off".

I could model the labor camp along the lines of GULAG instead of the Nazi camps, but then I'd have to make it the Soviet Mind Game. For one thing, a competent AI for the Soviet Mind Game is a bit more complicated than the Artificial Idiocy that I'll be putting in this game, and Mr. Rogers might not be happy about LJ65 development starting again.

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Post by Celius » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:33 pm

Not being european, jewish, german, or having any affiliation with the people in concentration camps, I don't take any offense personally. Other people, on the other hand, probably think you lack appreciation for World War 2 and holocaust victims by naming this game "Concentration Camp". Not saying that you do, but it might appear that way.

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Post by Jeroen » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Strictly speaking hogging the term "concentration camp" for just ww2 is incorrect. Anyway I don't think there's a reason it SHOULD offend anyone, but I can understand WHY someone might get offended. I don't think Tepples should change his game if he doesn't want to however. About the ww2 jokes....I can tell you like 4 of the top of my head, and I live in The Netherlands. (they're alot worse then Tepple's game to)

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Post by Memblers » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:19 pm

Perhaps what offends you is that the FLP's logo still looks vaguely like a "swastika with serial numbers filed off".
I find the name really funny, but I think the discrepancy in the logos is weird. One with real associations, one fake. If anything I think it would somehow be more offensive (and therefore funnier) with a blue and white swastika versus a red and black star.

Right now it looks like it's supposed to be a holocaust reference that is censored for release by someone who literally only "gives half a crap", haha. :) Looks like a cool little game though.

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