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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by zxbdragon » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:56 am

Joe wrote:Done!

I wonder if there's already a mapper number assigned for this configuration.
emu src ? you have?

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by lidnariq » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:39 am

Joe wrote:I don't see anything connected to 74191 pin 5. The connection to that pin controls the direction of the 16-step counter, but I'm not sure what it will do if it's not connected at all...
The various BJT-based 74xx technologies (instead of FET-based) signal using current instead of voltage, so an open input is usually equivalent to a +5V input.
(e.g. datasheet for DM74LS14 says IH = 20µA; IL = -400µA )

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by Fisher » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:01 am

I confirm this.
Pin 5 of 74191 is connected to noting. I took a look at the board right now.

Looking at the pinout of the mapper, seems to be exactly the same as this one http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/VRC2_pinout
Except that pin 13 is connected to VRAM /A10 instead of PA10, pins 16-17-18-19-39 and 28 are connected to nothing, but may have the same function as described on the wiki.

Does the external IRQ circuit explains the slowdowns on this game?
Should I try to redump the CHR?
I'll try to assemble a Contra J repro with this parts, any other game recommendation? I think Crisis Force won't work in this mapper, will it??

Again, many thanks for everybody!!

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by l_oliveira » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:10 am

VRC2 and VRC4 are *almost* the same thing. But they aren't the same thing. You won't get VRC4 games work on VRC2.

The inverse surely is possible (with ROM hacking) as I've done it myself.

VRC4 has the IRQ timer and is capable of using bigger PRG/CHR ROMs.

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by Fisher » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:36 am

l_oliveira wrote:VRC2 and VRC4 are *almost* the same thing. But they aren't the same thing. You won't get VRC4 games work on VRC2.
Yeah, I have thought this, but asked anyway... you never know...

Will stay with Contra as this game marked my childhood, and this is the prime objective of my small collection.
Think I'll start tomorrow, because it's raining hard now, the perfect weather to take a nap!!

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by Joe » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:45 am

lidnariq wrote:The various BJT-based 74xx technologies (instead of FET-based) signal using current instead of voltage, so an open input is usually equivalent to a +5V input.
(e.g. datasheet for DM74LS14 says IH = 20µA; IL = -400µA )
That would make it behave like the FME-7 IRQ counter, if the FME-7 only let you set the highest four bits of the counter. (In fact, the hacked ROM uses the original counter values. It writes the high 8 bits to $F003, and the low 8 bits to $F002.)
Fisher wrote:Looking at the pinout of the mapper, seems to be exactly the same as this one http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/VRC2_pinout
Except that pin 13 is connected to VRAM /A10 instead of PA10, pins 16-17-18-19-39 and 28 are connected to nothing, but may have the same function as described on the wiki.
That pinout has some mistakes.
Fisher wrote:Does the external IRQ circuit explains the slowdowns on this game?
The hacks they used to convert it from FME-7 to VRC2 added some code, so that could be why it slows down. It's hard to check if the IRQ could cause slowdown without an emulator that implements this mapper.
Fisher wrote:Should I try to redump the CHR?
Yes. It's probably the same as the original, but it's good to know for sure.

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by l_oliveira » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:42 pm

That pinout is just confusing to read because it covers both VRC2 and VRC4. ;)

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by zxbdragon » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:13 pm

Fisher,Cassette, Is there such a phenomenon?
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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by Fisher » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:09 pm

zxbdragon wrote:Fisher,Cassette, Is there such a phenomenon?
Yeah! It plays almost like this!!
Although it don't have the hearth color glitch.
The energy glitch is present, and looks much worse on TV.
You see the slowdown on this first level!!
On the sewers and cavern it gets much worse!!
A lot of parts on stage 4-3 seems to be in slow motion!! I thought the game was going to lock out!!

Is the current Nestopia that can play it almost perfect or is it a modded version?
What do you mean with cassette?? I didn't get it! :roll:
Looks like I won't need a CHR redump!! :-)
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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by lidnariq » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:16 pm

"Cassette" is another term that's used to mean "cartridge" or "game pak".

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by Fisher » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:28 pm

Cool!!
I've already seem it on some carts, but didn't understand the context.
In my native language cassette may refer to an audio tape, and there's even a word (a bad word) that some people say when they're surprised that sounds almost the same thing.
I thought it was kind of a joke :-), but nevermind...

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by tepples » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:44 pm

カセット (pronounced "kasetto") is often used for a game cartridge in Japanese, possibly because of its lack of complex consonant clusters compared to "cartridge". For example, Sunsoft's Nantettatte Baseball had a "double cassette system" that took option ROMs for roster updates. But in other languages, I agree that it's more likely to refer to a Philips Compact Cassette or a video cassette. Then you get to grandmas who call them "Nintendo tapes" because they slide into a front-loading NES the same way video cassettes slide into a VCR.

"Cassette" as a swear word when surprised, now that's new to me.

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by zxbdragon » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:23 pm

Cassette == cartridge == cart
I am sorry,My English is not very well.
real machine Like flashing?

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by l_oliveira » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:29 pm

tepples wrote:カセット (pronounced "kasetto") is often used for a game cartridge in Japanese, possibly because of its lack of complex consonant clusters compared to "cartridge". For example, Sunsoft's Nantettatte Baseball had a "double cassette system" that took option ROMs for roster updates. But in other languages, I agree that it's more likely to refer to a Philips Compact Cassette or a video cassette. Then you get to grandmas who call them "Nintendo tapes" because they slide into a front-loading NES the same way video cassettes slide into a VCR.

"Cassette" as a swear word when surprised, now that's new to me.
In Portuguese (and maybe in Spanish too) "cacete" is the word for wooden club.The blunt weapon cavemen used.
Due to it's shape people use it's name as slang for the male reproductive organ or it can also be used in a context meaning the person got beaten up. That word is actually over 200 hundred years old pre-dating Compact Cassettes by a long margin. lol

To be fair, in spoken Portuguese the sound for both words are very similar. Maybe because of that here nobody write "Cassette". "K7" is used instead.


Hopefully this was enlightening.

Edit:
More explanation is due. My bad.
K7 meaning "ka" (how Portuguese speaking people pronounce "k") + "sete" (seven in Portuguese)

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Re: Susoft 5a clone?

Post by zxbdragon » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:36 pm

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