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Author:  zxbdragon [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Zepper wrote:
He's not an emulator author, but someone that wrote new mappers to the Nestopia.


yes.No one in the world is the author of the emulator.Everyone is added on the basis of binary code
是的,世界上没有任何人是任何模拟器的作者,因为任何人都是在二进制代码基础上添加。

Author:  zxbdragon [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

zxbdragon wrote:
Zepper wrote:
He's not an emulator author, but someone that wrote new mappers to the Nestopia.


yes.No one in the world is the author of the emulator.Everyone is added on the basis of binary code

Mapper227 event I recognized you, can't even the most basic things, still dare to say oneself is the author of the emulator。
mapper 227事件,让我认识到你,你连最基础的东西都不会,还敢说自己是模拟器的开发者.

你说话的语气感觉就像个不懂事的孩子,有在这里讨论这个的时间,你应该好好看看你自己所开发的模拟器,
50%的goodnes的ROM,在你的模拟器运行都有问题。一个不会写mapper的模拟器作者,很搞笑吗?
在你发出你在这个帖子里的话时,我想问你,你的模拟器,使用开源的mapper信息,是否要开源代码?

Author:  zxbdragon [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

我以前我也说过,我只是一个dumper,我把我自己童年喜欢的东西更新到一个不用浪费我太多时间的nestopia中,以在我年龄再老些,可以回忆一下。
我英文不好,所以我这次就不打英文,直接使用中文说。
各大模拟器都说自己的精确,但你们试过上千台的FC主机吗?
包括原版FC,原版NES,dendy,和中国各种盗版主机?
我有所有的FC卡正版,NES正版卡带,和50000张以上的合卡,你们精确模拟的东西,与实体机上不同,也叫精确?

Plus!已死,你可以补刀,因为我所知道老外,除了嘴皮子强大,其它一无事处。以GUN/GPL要代码,可以,但我认为GUN/GPL前提也是要尊重奉献者。
我公开代码,说我代码有问题,我不公开,说是亵渎者,那么,我只好选择停止Plus!,自己更新自己用,作个亵渎者。

我想反问一下,在这里有多少人真正的自己写模拟器,不参考别人的代码,有多少人是自己从硬件分析mapper?
有多少人去每个ROM的测试并与真实硬件进行对比的。
今天我百忙中来看看这里,让我看到了不想看到的语气。我不吐不快。

当然cah4e3是我佩服的DUMPER!

Author:  zxbdragon [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

人这种动物,要为自己所作的事负责。
你更新模拟器,那么,你改了一行代码,如MMC3,那么你要测试的就是所有MMC3和MMC3派生的ROM。
而事实证明,前人很多的信息是错的,有些PCB说不支持四屏显示,其实他的ROM是支持,那么,你们还站在原地,我已省下重写NES模拟器的时间,把相关的游戏模拟完善。

Author:  Fisher [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Ok, I'll try a little Google-translator-fu.
Hope this helps you o understand better what I'm saying, but I think the effect will be just the opposite.

不幸的是,我擔心的模擬器不能重新創建模擬機的所有變化,以及在NES和mapers(至少不能沒有廢話的CPU使用率)。
我原先以為這一切是遺書,所以我很擔心。 :(
這是好事,知道你是好,我理解了主題開始在錯誤的道路。 :oops:
你的意識是你的指導!
做你認為是對的,但不要忘了,在這種或那種方式,可能會有後果。大多數好的,但有些可能是災難性的。

Edit: Posting the english version:

Unfortunatelly, I don't think an emulator can recreate all the nuances of the simulated machine, as well as the NES mappers (well, not without a monstruous CPU usage).
I thought the first post was a suicide note, so I was worried. :-(
It's a nice to know that you're fine and I just misunderstood the initial thread. :Oops:
Let your counciousness be your guide!
Do whatever you think is right, but don't forget that goiong either way have consequences.
Mostly are good, but some may be catastrophic.

Author:  Zepper [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

-EDIT- Meh! I just said he must respect the GPL guidelines, and thinking against it is foolish. About the emulator author, well... we do the same procedures/algorithms, but never exactly the same code. I am an emulator author; he isn't.

Author:  Gilbert [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Trying to stay away from dramas and walls of text as far as possible myself, I couldn't judge who's really wrong here so I won't take a side, but sometimes (most of the time actually) the machine translations are just GOLD, like...
Zepper wrote:
液化石油氣

I'm sorry about for LMAO by this. I think the original misspelled GPL as LPG.

Personally, to avoid further misunderstanding, I think the posters should include both the original text and the translated ones, so that people could still refer to the original in case confusions arise.

Seeing this is an English forum(except those few 'local' sections), if one wants to post something other than English, it is best (required by rules probably; correct me if I am wrong) to always include an English version (whether it's the original or the one to be translated into) anyway.

Also, yes. I'm a native Chinese speaker.

Author:  tokumaru [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Yes, please post the English versions of the messages, otherwise the rest of us are stuck with re-translating already translated text, which gives disastrous results. Another thing to keep in mind when using machine translation is to keep sentences as short and simple as possible, kinda like if you were talking to a child. It may not sound very natural, but it greatly reduces the amount of errors, increasing the chances of the other end making sense of what you're saying.

Author:  Dwedit [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Please don't post machine translations only. If you want to use them, post the original and the machine translated version, and indicate that it's machine translated.

Author:  Zepper [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Dwedit wrote:
Please don't post machine translations only. If you want to use them, post the original and the machine translated version, and indicate that it's machine translated.

Personally, I don't want none of them. :evil:

Author:  kazblox [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

You know, this isn't just Nestopia Plus that violated the GPL. VirtuaNES Plus!, VirtuaNESEx and even as a corporate example, EmuVT (NesterJ), were also were released without source code.

Speaking of VirtuaNESEx.... Damn you, Mapper 168!!!! :evil:

Author:  Fisher [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

As I stated before, I was VERY worried because I thought I was reading a suicide note.
My english is not the best, but I'm trying to get better...

Anyway, let him do whatever he likes. He's free!! (Well, I suppose the initial poster is male, but I may be wrong)
I'm not here to condemn or point the finger to anyone, but anything you do will have consequences, be it good or bad. That's the price of freedom.

Author:  zxbdragon [ Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Plus! is Death!

Plus the original code has publicly in 2016, after deleting the final code

Download to you, you are lucky, you don't have to download to, that is your bad luck

GitHub, I tried to submit, but making no receive!

mapper 190,I'm just trying to nestopia, working fine,after can delete code .

zapper,Even when you are talking about when the eldest brother, let me feel very strange, other people to help you, you don't say thanks, instead of attack

Author:  Zepper [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Your problem is the language barrier.

Author:  Fisher [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberty or Death? nestopia plus!

Well, big names had problems with GPL.
Microsoft had, and called GPL a virus.
Fortunatelly, a virus is very scary, specially to Windows users...

Other than that, I can tell from the top of my head DLink and even recently Hyperkin, with it's Retron 5.
If it's the wish of the creator to delete the code, well... it's his free will.

How an old brazilian poet once said: "Então vá! Faz o que tu queres. Pois é tudo. Da Lei! Da Lei!", automatic translated to "So go! Do what you want. That's all. Of law! Of law!"

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