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Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:06 pm
by tepples
Since 2012, my ultimate intent has been to put together a multicart with 53 games on it. And I want these games to be as polished as possible, to provide a stark contrast to an infamous release by Active Enterprises. Thus after the second compo, I wrote a pitch for a remix compo to be held after the fourth compo.

That time has come.

But if you're planning to make a Game Of The Year Edition, be aware that despite the name, you probably won't be able to license the song "Somebody That I Used to Know" for your GOTYE.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:02 pm
by dougeff
What do we mean by remix?

Like a crossover, like the Mario/Rabbids game? Or like, "what happens when this TV show has a guest director, and it's Stephen Spielberg" kind of reimagined version of the old game?

Would this be a sort of...give your source code to someone else and let them hack at it?


Unrelated suggestion for future nesdev. SRAM. (I have an idea that would work better if you can save).

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:03 pm
by tepples
I had envisioned "remix" as meaning you improve your past entry or you improve someone else's past entry. The aim is that the updated version supersedes the older versions, just as the post-compo version of a game supersedes the judged version. I didn't want to call it "adding polish" because then every game would have to live up to Gruniożerca 2, which is already chock full of both polish and Polish.

Thus a "'what happens when this TV show has a guest director, and it's Stephen Spielberg' kind of reimagined version of the old game" would appear to be in scope, such as an NES port of my Python remake of FHBG (which took it in a very different from Nova's follow-up DABG), or something that combines NES15 and 2048 to use one engine.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:47 am
by na_th_an
I was thinking on redoing Wo Xiang Niao Niao with better graphics using 64K rather than 32K (UNROM, most likely), and adding cutscenes. But I've yet to make my mind around it.

Is the 64K limit still being enforced?

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:12 am
by tepples
The extent to which I would want to continue the 64 KiB limit depends on how big of a multicart INL can replicate. I would like to prevent the final 53-game collection from exceeding that size, but I'd have to wait for Paul to reply about exactly what that size is. If, say, all 53 games were expanded to 64 KiB, that would total 3392 KiB. The judging criteria may end up having to include a "value for space" consideration.

I am willing to make one concession: A remix that supersedes multiple entries or out-of-compo additions may cover 64 KiB for each such entry up to a maximum of 256 KiB. For example, something including replacements for Concentration Room, FHBG, Thwaite, and RHDE could be 256 KiB, though if I were doing that, I would hope that I can squeeze it into 128 KiB to boost value for space. So if you want to expand a game to 80 KiB, you might try to put it in the same ROM as another entry you're expanding to 48 KiB. I admit that I haven't thought through all the special cases of this where two entrants remake the same game with intent to supersede it, and both rely on sharing the ROM.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:35 am
by gauauu
tepples wrote:or you improve someone else's past entry.
Maybe this is obvious, but I'd suggest one of the requirements is to get permission from the original author before remixing/improving someone else's entry. Even if it's technically not legally required in some cases (if the code is open source or if the improvement doesn't use any code/resources from the original), it would reduce any potential conflicts.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:28 pm
by NESHomebrew
gauauu wrote:
tepples wrote:or you improve someone else's past entry.
Maybe this is obvious, but I'd suggest one of the requirements is to get permission from the original author before remixing/improving someone else's entry. Even if it's technically not legally required in some cases (if the code is open source or if the improvement doesn't use any code/resources from the original), it would reduce any potential conflicts.
Like if someone "remixed" their own game, and someone else also did a remix of it... that could be bad.

Would a remix of an Action52 game fall into this category?

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:14 pm
by cppchriscpp
Just saw this now... dangit I already have too many open projects but I might have to find time for this!

My only entry (Waddles) could be a lot better with some TLC... better movement/collisions and some redesigned levels and better puzzles. Maybe some extended/improved music tracks too.

I'm not quite sure I'm ready to wade back into that mess of assembly, but.. maybe.

Glad to see this finally happening!

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:40 pm
by dougeff
Is it happening?

I can't imagine any way I would/could/should change my 3 entries.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:51 pm
by M_Tee
I really like the idea. One way to handle it could possibly be to contact each of the previous developers and ask if they would approve of others working with their IPs for this purpose, and then have those available in the OP of a relevant thread.

I see no problem with multiple developers attempting remakes of the same project (obviously if the developer had previously agreed to let their project be used openly for a remake.) Seeing different intrepretations and takes on the same game would be very interesting.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:46 am
by na_th_an
You are free to use any IP related to my games published in A53 whatsoever. That includes out of compo submissions.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:49 am
by gauauu
dougeff wrote:Is it happening?

I can't imagine any way I would/could/should change my 3 entries.
I agree -- I _could_ add more to my previous entries, but I'm not really interested in doing so -- making something new is a lot more fun to me. But hey, everyone's different, maybe there's someone out there that would really enjoy this sort of thing.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:20 am
by FrankenGraphics
Maybe this could serve as inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OliBr44kzk

Snarblams' maru mari hack on metroid (unsure if it ever was finished) flipped the object of the game on its end by exploiting the sprite wraparound, forcing morphball mode, adding and adding ratchet autoscrolling. I assume the ypos-based hurt mechanism is repurposed to kill off the player character if catched by the upper edge of screen.

Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:31 am
by dougeff
na_th_an wrote:You are free to use any IP related to my games published in A53 whatsoever. That includes out of compo submissions.
I think it would be fun to do a remake of Wo xiang niào niào. I could get interested in that.


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Re: Proposed side compo: Remix

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:16 am
by na_th_an
I would love to see your own interpretation of the game.