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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:17 am 
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I have been a fan of the NES for 12 years and I cannot realize I could totally totally ignore the existance of such masterpieces for such a long time ! Just because the title sounds stupid and every time I saw it I though "it should be a bad game". Man how wrong was I.

This combines all I like about NES : Very cute graphics, very simple gameplay, needs lot of thinking, unforgivable about slight errors

The music is the best I've ever heard on the console : It's just like Kirby's Adventure, but 2x better (yes this is possible). I just can't stop listening to it so it's good.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:25 pm 
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I'm inclined to judge a game by its publisher rather than its name.

With that, I had expectations that this was going to be more like a Kirby game when I first saw it, to my disappointment. :?

But whatever; we have plenty of platformers already; I like this series for what it is (by the way, I hear the Famicom versions are different and/or harder).

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I love those games, too! I like the music a lot, but I found myself wishing there was more than one track. It's a great track, don't get me wrong, I just often wondered why they couldn't have a few more in there.

Not too long ago I discovered Hal Labs "Air Fortress," as well, which seems like a pretty interesting game...haven't played it long, yet, but love that title music!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:27 pm 
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It is worth checking out Eggerland on FDS / Famicom, it's nearly the same but the exploration of the map is a little more interesting.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:17 pm 
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There's also the GB/SGB version of the game too...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:42 am 
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Cool, I'll check Eggerland !

And Air Fortress is a pretty good game, but is scary as $$$$.

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I'm inclined to judge a game by its publisher rather than its name.

Then my jugement is that HAL Laboratory is damn awesome !


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:22 pm 
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Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
I'm inclined to judge a game by its publisher rather than its name.

With that, I had expectations that this was going to be more like a Kirby game when I first saw it, to my disappointment. :?

But whatever; we have plenty of platformers already; I like this series for what it is (by the way, I hear the Famicom versions are different and/or harder).


How could a game series introduced 7 years before Kirby possibly hope to be "more like Kirby"?

Back when Lolo was on the NES, basically the only thing HAL was known for was Lolo. (And Rollerball...)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:21 pm 
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ccovell wrote:
How could a game series introduced 7 years before Kirby possibly hope to be "more like Kirby"?

Excuse me, but I didn't see a freakin' year on the cover. Also, why should I not expect a Kirby-like platformer, rather than a top-down puzzle game? If I were basing my expectations on other HAL games I've played, then the only other basis I had was a 4-in-1 Vegas casino game.

These same expectations have led me down the right path when I expect nearly every Konami game to be arcade-like beat'em ups or shooters and most Capcom games to include a stage select.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:53 am 
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Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
ccovell wrote:
Excuse me, but I didn't see a freakin' year on the cover. Also, why should I not expect a Kirby-like platformer...


For the same reasons someone watching a movie from 1990 should not expect to see people using web browsers or smartphones...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:58 am 
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This series is classic. Me and my buddy simply called "The Strategy Game" since we've never seen a game like that before. So much fun to be had in thinking ahead before making a move in this game.

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Ah, the Lolo games. I used to play the second one quite a lot as a kid. Recently I got Eggerland for the Famicom, but I haven't beat it yet. If you like games where you solve puzzles you might enjoy Sutte Hakkun on the Super Famicom.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:28 am 
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ccovell wrote:
For the same reasons someone watching a movie from 1990 should not expect to see people using web browsers or smartphones...

Jedi QuestMaster does have a point... You don't always know the year a game or a movie was released. I often find myself thinking that an old movie's plot could be easily resolved with a cell phone, and if nothing else gave away the film's age until then, that's when I realize how old it is.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:43 am 
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OK, well, let's put it this way:

Lolo 1 has the publication year on the title screen and again in the game select menu.
Lolo 2 and 3 both have their years of publication on the HAL logo screen and on their title screens.

So it is actually impossible to play these games in order to find out what kind of games they are, while not noticing what year they came out -- unless you look away from the screen for the first ten seconds of each while pressing start.

Sorry for flogging a dead horse like this but I think it's a case when someone shouldn't lazily use the words "didn't see" when "ignored" is more fitting.

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Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
I'm inclined to judge a game by its publisher rather than its name.

With that, I had expectations that this was going to be more like a Kirby game when I first saw it, to my disappointment. :?

But whatever; we have plenty of platformers already; I like this series for what it is (by the way, I hear the Famicom versions are different and/or harder).


The Japanese versions are numbered differently.
US "Adventures of Lolo" is based on the FDS game "Eggerland - Souzou heno Tabidachi". Then "Adventures of Lolo 2" is simply "Adventures of Lolo" in Japan, along with "Adventures of Lolo 3" being called "Adventures of Lolo 2" in Japan.
Okay, the puzzles are different too...

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The numbering scheme is puzzling too.

Aparently, there is two FDS games plus one Famicom game of the "Eggerland" series, which were not released in the western world. Then two famicom games called "Lolo" follows, which are equivalent to the western 2/3, exept that the levels are completely different (i.e. only the intro screens and the music are the same).

The only difference between the "Eggerland" series and the "Lolo" series is that Eggerland has a black background whether Lolo has a nice brick background.

As for the difficulty, for all the japanese games it is just insane. It took me something like 15 tries to beat the very first puzzle of Adventures of Lolo (J). It is however fun.

What disapointed me is that some puzzles actually requires action or reflexes to beat, which I don't like it doesn't fit a game like this.


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