FrankenGraphics wrote:Since animation, at least. The whole thing about animation is tricking the eye and getting away with it.
Yeah, making a 24 frames image and play it like a fluid animation. That's what tricking the eye is supposed to do.
But when was there ever: "We draw something into the animation that can only be seen in slow motion. And the thing is
not supposed to actually be there, so what we're actually drawing doesn't count for the plot"?
If Disney animators sneak a picture of a nude woman into one of the windows of a house, it might not be noticeable with the bare eyes. But the thing that it was included means that it is there.
Especially when it's the other way around, like in "Super Mario World": When you have a
controversial theory, but closer inspection reveals that the controversial thing doesn't hold up and the scene is ultimately harmless, you cannot say that the controversial, out-of-character thing is still canonically supposed to exist in that scene.
FrankenGraphics wrote:I think i agree with Bregalad. It's not about any specific frame. It's about the change and movement between frames during playback and how they are percieved on average.
If there's a piece of animation that obviously disproves that this was intended the way fans speculate, then you cannot say we have to ignore this frame because people wouldn't notice it.
I mean, seriously, do people really think they intended Mario to be such a dick as to punch Yoshi on the head? Really? That's what they had in mind? That's what fans believe? That Nintendo consciously made Mario punch Yoshi without any reason at all? (Don't forget that Yoshi is not like a simple horse who can be controlled by whipping and by spores. He's designed as a sentinent, intelligent being who can write notes on his mailbox and who can talk to you. Punching him to make him do stuff would not fit with the story anyway.)
The in-game animations disprove it.
Mario's hand is consciously
not drawn like this regular fist, but with a gap in the outlines that seems to imply a finger.
And the official artwork couldn't be any clearer:
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Those are three clear proofs. And what does the other side have? Those stupid fan theories and now another piece of bullshit statement from the developers that are known to lie or forget stuff.
As I mentioned, the same guy said that Mario riding Yoshi was an idea that originated during the time of SMB3 and it originated as the idea of Mario riding a horse, then a lizard, then a dinosaur. But on the other hand, we have concept art from the time of SMB1 that already has Mario riding a dinosaur whose head and neck look pretty much like Yoshi.
That's where the idea comes from. So, his trivia about getting the inspiration from a drawing about Mario riding a horse and later coming up with a dinosaur
cannot be true.
Likewise, I doubt his story about Mario punching Yoshi.
Maybe it was an original thought of him that was immediately rejected by the higher-ups. This might be the sliver of truth to that story. But this doesn't mean that Mario punching Yoshi is now somehow confirmed.
My graphics artist suggested that if Amy attacks Rachel, the girl that gives you an item in my game, with her taser, that Rachel lets the item fall and it's lost.
I immediately shot this down because Amy would never do this and I don't want the player to be able to let Amy act out of character by consciously including an event that would never happen in the story.
And now imagine an interview with my artist titled: "Confirmed: Amy attacks Rachel with a taser."
Bregalad wrote:However, the animation as a whole still looks like Mario is punching Yoshi
Well, how would Mario pointing towards something and Yoshi reaching out to it have to look like then?
tokumaru wrote:This doesn't prove anything... Synchronization errors in object animations happen all the time.
Yeah, let's just assume that Nintendo included a big out-of-character moment for Mario
and screwed-up the animation
and forgot to close his fist, so that it looks like a pixel of a finger
and forgot to tell the artist about it. That's of course
much more probable than simply assuming that Mario punching Yoshi is
fucking bullshit.