Well, since my question is not an academic one, like in:Kasumi wrote:The problem isn't how you asked the question (this time), it's how you respond to answers to the question. Say you asked for homebrew NES games starring women. I might give you 4, Tepples might give you 6, Dwedit might give you 2. That's only 12 games.
"Do you know any games with female main characters?"
"Thanks. Riddle solved."
but since I'm actually looking for a game for my collection, I cannot just take the first few answers, say "Thank you" and be done with it.
I'm looking for a game with a female protagonist in the same way "Tomb Raider" has a female protagonist who is an action heroine who fights against evil. So, if somebody suggests me "Super Mario Bros. 2" or "Little Red Riding Hood", well, of course I have to say that these games don't meet my criteria.
Why do you think that I haven't tried them?Kasumi wrote:Just try the 12 games.
As I said many, many times now: I've tried every game that officially came out. And since most people in this thread did not suggest homebrews as I originally asked for, yes, I can shoot down their suggestions in an instant because I know the game already.
On the other hand, when I come across a game that I haven't heard of yet, like "Kira Kira Star Night", I check it out of course. But when I see that the game is just about collecting stars, then the game might be as good as any game, but it still isn't a game with an NES alternative of Lara Croft. Therefore, I'm still non the wiser since I haven't found my game yet. So, again, that game is no reason to close the question and considered it answered.
Yes, I do have to do this. If I answer the first three games with "Thanks a lot. Great suggestion", that's the situation where people would think that the problem is solved and would stop answering.Kasumi wrote:Don't tell us our suggestions don't meet your standards.
Since when is this unacceptable? I didn't even do this towards homebrews.Kasumi wrote:Definitely don't say they suck ass.
So, please tell me since when it is considered rude to say that "Athena" or "Action 52" suck ass when someone seriously suggests them?
Yeah, but if I don't add criteria, then people will just post the same old boring examples, like "Ms. Pac-Man".Kasumi wrote:Just play them yourself and see. You didn't find one you like? Well, there are two end game scenarios in that case.
1. Others continue to post other games starring women. Even if they don't meet your criteria they won't take much time to test.
2. No more posts are made on this subject.
You really complain that I add criteria? Well, would you prefer it if my question was very vague, so people would waste their time posting suggestions that are doomed from the beginning?
Being very specific means that people who have a game on their mind that they would have suggested don't need to bother when they see that it doesn't meet my criteria anyway.
In this case, you can still say "I'm not sure if it meets your criteria." But the people who do know that their game doesn't meet the criteria haven't wasted their time posting it.Kasumi wrote:For case 1, giving more criteria just discourages people from posting because the lists get harder to make. For example maybe I remember a game stars a girl, but I don't remember how long it was. I have to spend time checking.
Would you really prefer, if the thread went like this?
"Do you know games with female characters?"
"Super Mario Bros. 2, Metrioid"
"Thanks. More please."
"Shadow of the Ninja"
"Thanks. More please."
"Athena. The Krion Conquest. Ms. Pac-Man"
"Thanks. More please."
At least I narrow the games, so that people don't need to post any random game.
And this is a bad thing? I don't think so. I prefer no answer to a wrong answer. I mean, what have I won when I see that somebody replied to my post, only to realize that he suggested "Mach Rider"?Kasumi wrote:For case 2, we've likely stopped posting because we don't know any other games starring women.
Well, that's the thing: If many criteria return 0 results, then it is like it is.Kasumi wrote:The game probably doesn't exist, or if it does no one that posts here knows about it. Giving more criteria doesn't help. The search already returned 0 results.
But in how far would have specifying less criteria been better? In this case, the search would have returned 0 correct results and a whole bunch of results that are unhelpful to me anyway. This would have wasted my time as well as the time of the posters.
It doesn't matter how many of these games are out there. My search is an all or nothing thing: If I can't find a game with a human female action heroine, well, then I have to do without it. But I won't go for the next best thing, like a game with a secretary or a game with a female animal action heroine or something like that just to have any game with a female protagonist.Kasumi wrote:I could understand all the extra criteria if there were hundreds of homebrew NES games starring women, but there's not.
So, yeah, the question how many of these games are out there has really no bearing on the question how strict I declare my criteria.