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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:36 am 
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Could the Saint Seiya license have likewise been yanked late in development?

IDK... AFAIK, Bandai had the license for all Saint Seiya toys, and they were the ones making Saint Seiya video games. Even the Famicom Jump games that have cameos by various Jump Comics characters (including Seiya) were published by Bandai.

I guess the people who made Dragon Fighter were just fans of shonen armor anime, and were heavily "inspired" by Dragon Shiryu.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:44 am 
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Could the Saint Seiya license have likewise been yanked late in development?

I find it much more likely that they did what they always do: Getting "inspired" by works left and right.

Like "Contra", which is pretty much "Aliens" set in the location of the first "Predator".
Or "Layla" which is "Dirty Pair - Project Eden".
"Arumana no Kiseki" --> "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom".

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the whole "Cranky = the original Donkey Kong" plot

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:mrgreen: Yeah, that one was good.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:32 am 
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I remember reading that a Rare employee saying that he had designed Super Donkey with the intention of him being a grown up Jr.
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Also Diddy was first supposed to be DK Jr at first, but Nintendo wouldn't allow a complete redesign so they had to make him an original character.

That's what I always find so suspicious with these rumors:
On the one hand, Donkey Kong was designed to be a grown-up Junior.
On the other hand, Diddy was supposed to be Junior.
When they designed Diddy they probably hadn't decided that Donkey wasn't the same as the old Donkey yet.

This actually leads to another misconception of mine. When DKC was announced and I saw artwork for Diddy Kong for the first time, I first thought he was Jr. But then I noticed he wasn't a gorilla anymore and had grown a tail.

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I read through my DKC manual for mentions of Cranky being his grandfather but I couldn't find any, so I assumed it's possible Cranky is his father.

From the game:
"It's about time you visited your frail, old Grandpa!"
"And what have you brought for your old Grandpa?"
"Well, you've amazed your old Grandpa by getting this far!"
"So, you've finally come to get some game play advice from your old Grandpa!"

This also makes much more sense: Donkey Kong Jr. was the hero of his own old-school game, even rescuing the old Donkey Kong/Cranky. So it doesn't make much sense for Cranky to always complain to him that the new games are crap and that the new Donkey Kong wouldn't last in those games. This fits much better for the grandson who was never in an old-school game.

About whether Nintendo retconned it to be a single Donkey Kong: I wasn't aware of the references in the baseball and the "Brawl" game, so maybe I was wrong with my assumption. Or maybe they just don't care.
I found a PDF of the manual (US version) online and reread it. It does say Cranky is his grandfather several times, and on one page it refers Cranky as his pappy. Isn't pappy what you would call a father? Seems confusion was going on within Rare from the start.

Anyway Rare later retconned it and asked people to ignore all the instances where it says Cranky is his grandfather. So Rare's official stance seems to be that he is a grown up Jr, and it seems that Nintendo supports this (although they ignore that fact in some games). But yeah I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for Jr, who was also a hero back then, to be ignorant of those old games. On the other hand Super Donkey is already supposed to be a video game star before the game begins and Diddy admires him for it. Donkey sets him to guard his banana hoard to train him in becoming a hero. That sounds like Super Donkey would have appeared in games before it. There's so many plot holes that there's no wonder why even Rare was confused.

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What I don't understand: Which game is canon now? "Donkey Kong" for the arcade or "Donkey Kong" for the Game Boy? If it's the Game Boy version, does that mean that "Donkey Kong Jr." never happened? The idea of Mario putting Donkey Kong into a cage doesn't fit with the Game Boy game's storyline.
The storylines doesn't get tied together very well at all. Mario, who was a carpenter, also had monkey (and a whole zoo of crocodiles and birds) and abused him (see Donkey Kong Circus G&W) and Donkey kidnapped his girlfriend to get back at him for a bit (although he intended to release her eventually). He saves his girlfriend and locks up Donkey Kong again, until Jr comes and rescues him. Then Donkey goes on a rampage in Stanly's green house. How does that tie together with any later Mario or Donkey Kong game? Then also in every game Mario has different jobs (carpenter, plumber, wrecking crew member, doctor, bottle factory worker, cement factory worker, boxing and tennis referee, toy factory owner and probably a lot more I forgot) and is also doing all kinds of sports. In the Super Mario Land series he has his own land and castle.

Nintendo said at one point to see Mario and other characters as actors in games, rather than the exact same character.
A meta-game setting is often used in these games, and the fourth wall is frequently broken. Especially the DKC games are always referring to things like animation frames as it was a natural thing. Like when Cranky challenges Donkey to go on an adventure so that it becomes a game, and in the DKC2 manual he says that he don't want to die in a game that scrolls.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:15 am 
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Well, the one misconception that I had at the top of my head is that I used to think Marth and Roy spoke gibberish in Super Smash Bros Melee, and that they were made as characters just for the game.

And yes, any the story for the Donkey Kong games is all over the place. I'd love to know how Donkey Kong Island went from how it was in DKC, to DK64, and then to DKCR in less than 20 years.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:58 pm 
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I used to think video game systems were virtually omnipotent and the only limitations were color and resolution.


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I remember that back in the day when I first saw a Zelda game I tought it was related to the character Zelda Scott from the very popular (here in Brazil) series "Armação Ilimitada".
I ended up discovering it was completelly unrelated. :oops:


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