Reproductions that look like original games

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by DRW » Sat May 05, 2018 5:37 pm

I assume reporting this to Nintendo wouldn't really be of any use here anyway. Because those games are not from some online shop that actively sells this stuff. But it looks like NintendoAge created a limited amount of these games some time ago and that's it.

I'm really asking myself whether I should post this at the NintendoAge forum and ask them what their justification for this is. Would you advise to do this?
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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by koitsu » Sat May 05, 2018 6:19 pm

Sure, do it if you feel like spending hundreds of hours arguing with people on an Internet web board. I should add that's entirely separate from whether or not there would be any outcome/change as a result. Nobody can decide for you if you feel the time would be well-spent or not.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by tepples » Sat May 05, 2018 6:48 pm

I guess the outcome is at least that the intentions of the people who did this or approved this become public, and both communities can evaluate how to proceed thenceforth.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by Oziphantom » Sun May 06, 2018 12:26 am

rainwarrior wrote:
Oziphantom wrote:Nintendo are the kind of company that go after pornstars because they listed LOZ as one of their favorite games.
Is that something that happened?
As tepples has already pointed out, but I though I would link the PA comic, https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004 ... oochie-man

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by calima » Sun May 06, 2018 12:42 am

That's already happened there multiple times. They're ok with repros.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by DRW » Sun May 06, 2018 3:15 am

calima wrote:That's already happened there multiple times. They're ok with repros.
Who is o.k. with it? Nintendo or NintendoAge.com?
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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by Bregalad » Sun May 06, 2018 9:32 am

calima wrote:That's already happened there multiple times. They're ok with repros.
They're not OK with people downloading ROMs, but you pretend they'd be OK with repros (made with downloaded ROMs) ? How does that makes any sense ?

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by calima » Sun May 06, 2018 10:18 am

Ah, I meant NA of course.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by DRW » Sun May 06, 2018 12:37 pm

calima wrote:Ah, I meant NA of course.
Well, yeah, this is a pretty obvious statement then, isn't it? NintendoAge produces reproductions, so NintendoAge is o.k. with reproductions.

But my gripe is not with reproductions per se. I don't have a moral objection to recreating games that were never published outside of Japan or reproductions of very expensive games etc.

Legally, it's still not allowed, but it's not my job to fight against copyright infringement. If somebody wants to get a cheap $5 copy of "Little Samson" because the real one is unaffordable, I don't mind.

But where I do have a moral objection is the situation where the reproduction looks like a legitimate release.
And in this case, it doesn't matter to me that the reproduction is a game that never existed as a real US NES game.
As I said, not everybody is an expert like us. Not everybody knows that "F-1 Race" was not part of the black box series. Not everybody knows that "Miracle of Almana" doesn't belong to the same line of games as "Castlevania", "Contra" and "Gradius".

And I'd like to know what these people at NintendoAge think when they create those kinds of games.

If they created a package where the box, manual and cartridge all have a disclaimer "This game is a reproduction created by NintendoAge.com", I wouldn't mind.
But creating a game and lying about it ("Miracle of Almana" never actually had the Nintendo Seal of Quality, so putting it on the box is a lie) and trying to make it look like an actual release, that's just shitty.

I'm curious what people who approve of this would say about it. How would they defend themselves? Not regarding the creation of reproductions, but about making reproductions that look like actual genuine game releases from the 80s, complete with Nintendo and Konami logos, as if this box came from Nintendo and Konami, and the very seal that was created specifically to distinguish the licensed from the unlicensed products.
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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by tokumaru » Sun May 06, 2018 3:27 pm

The reasoning might end up being as simple as "the fun is in pretending these releases did happen, and an ugly reproduction disclaimer destroys that illusion". I don't like it either, but it is what it is.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by FrankWDoom » Sun May 06, 2018 5:02 pm

DRW wrote:nonsense
you asked and i gave straightforward answers are now you're making up strawmen to argue. no point in continuing the discussion if you're gonna pull that shit.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by DRW » Sun May 06, 2018 6:00 pm

FrankWDoom wrote:
DRW wrote:nonsense
You know what? Fuck you!
FrankWDoom wrote:you asked and i gave straightforward answers are now you're making up strawmen to argue.
So, you are allowed to answer my arguments, but I'm not allowed to answer yours.
Again: Fuck you!

You do realize that you're pretty much the only one here who defends this kind of counterfeit shit, right?

P.S.: I just noticed: 147 posts on this forum, 5661 on NintendoAge. Now I know where you're coming from.
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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by papa_november » Sun May 06, 2018 8:11 pm

I have seen people pop up at swap meets with those new-style Chinese bootlegs (that are of obvious shit quality and can be bought by the case) being sold as "reproductions" at prices that would have bought you a genuine cart ~10 years ago.

You could argue that that could be predatory, but it's honestly a pretty pathetic attempt as these boots are almost as easy to get as a fucking hand spinner if you spend less than 25 seconds on your phone. Many people don't even give a shit that these boots use the wrong translation, or don't save; to them they might as well be trading cards. It literally does not matter how official they look or feel.

The bootlegs and reproductions are basically the only defense we have against massive speculation and price driving that has moved prices on every single piece of "retrogaming memorabilia" be it arcade, console, or computer over not just but one but sometimes two decimal points. It is a bubble and it is pricing people out of the hobby and it needs to pop yesterday.

In fact, if I learned that a Shenzhen factory decided that it's mission was to turn out the videogame equivalent of the North Korean Supernote and belt out (among other things) perfect Earthbounds - we're talking perfect strategy guide, perfect box, perfect scratch n' sniff cards, perfect cartridge with genuine shells and CICs sourced from a lonely pallet of Maddens here - I would happily wire them every dollar I've got just to make people like the OP angrier.

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by Drew Sebastino » Sun May 06, 2018 8:37 pm

papa_november wrote:price driving that has moved prices on every single piece of "retrogaming memorabilia" be it arcade, console, or computer over not just but one but sometimes two decimal points.
Tell me about it. :shock:
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With these prices, get the impression that people are actually using this stuff as a form of investment rather than entertainment... I really want one of these, but not if I have to fork over my life savings...

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Re: Reproductions that look like original games

Post by DRW » Sun May 06, 2018 9:09 pm

@papa_november:

Your stance is contradictory.

On the one hand, you say:
papa_november wrote:I have seen people pop up at swap meets with those new-style Chinese bootlegs (that are of obvious shit quality and can be bought by the case) being sold as "reproductions" at prices that would have bought you a genuine cart ~10 years ago.
So, you obviously despise the fact that cheap reproductions make a ton of money.

But on the other hand, you say:
papa_november wrote:The bootlegs and reproductions are basically the only defense we have against massive speculation and price driving that has moved prices on every single piece of "retrogaming memorabilia" be it arcade, console, or computer over not just but one but sometimes two decimal points.
Now reproductions are suddenly a good thing against outrageous prices for original cartridges, even though you just criticized that even those reproductions are sold for horrendous sums.

Then you say:
papa_november wrote:In fact, if I learned that a Shenzhen factory decided that it's mission was to turn out the videogame equivalent of the North Korean Supernote and belt out (among other things) perfect Earthbounds - we're talking perfect strategy guide, perfect box, perfect scratch n' sniff cards, perfect cartridge with genuine shells and CICs sourced from a lonely pallet of Maddens here - I would happily wire them every dollar I've got just to make people like the OP angrier.
So, on the one hand, you hate it when people pay large amounts of money for crappy reproductions. But on the other hand, you are in favor of good reproductions, i.e. products that are still worthless, but that are done in a way to fool the customers even more, making them still pay high sums for products that aren't genuine.


Now, what is your stance on this subject actually? Your whole post makes zero sense and jumps from one view to another:
"People are so stupid to pay money for cheap Chinese bootlegs.
Those bootlegs are the only thing that helps us against high prices.
So, let's produce bootlegs that look genuine (so people are fooled even more into paying a lot of money for unauthentic bootlegs)."

Sorry, but from your statements, I cannot deduce what you actually like and what you dislike.
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