Is an archived version of the current nesdev forum worth it?

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Post by B00daW » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:20 pm

Can we archive the old NESdev forum as well just for historical development aspects? There may be a lot of information to mine in there as well. We could keep it locked and archived just as we do now.

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Post by tepples » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:58 pm

By "old" do you mean the wwwThreads one? As I wrote above: "I've crawled wwwthreads and the wiki in their entirety."

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Post by tepples » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:10 pm

Bump: Now's your chance to try it out. This is an example of what the archive of the BBS will look like. The archive of wwwThreads will look similar. Pardon the 404s; only GBDev, SNESdev, and Other Retro Dev are populated. Full-text search isn't done yet either.

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Post by Banshaku » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:55 pm

I did a quick try and technically the content is fine. What would be interesting is:

- Show name of poster in the thread list
- if possible, a template with the exact same layout as bbs would be great

Except for that, it seems fine.

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Post by tepples » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:11 am

Thank you for the feedback.
Banshaku wrote:Show name of poster in the thread list
I've taken some cues from mobile-first, distraction-free design, presenting only what is needed: title, post date, and post count. In the list of topics, how would including the name of the author of the first post in a topic help?

But I guess that for topics with more than a month between the first and last posts, the date of the last post would be useful.
if possible, a template with the exact same layout as bbs would be great
I'm trying to make the layout fit into 80 columns (CSS: 40em). Longer line lengths tend to lead to eye strain and cause problems on smaller screens. Toward that end, I've put a maximum width on <img> elements so that they don't widen pages. I'm also trying to make the WWWThreads and phpBB layouts consistent: my WWWThreads archive uses exactly the same layout as what you see here.

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Post by snarfblam » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:38 pm

tepples wrote:In the list of topics, how would including the name of the author of the first post in a topic help?
In most cases it probably wouldn't. If you're looking for a specific topic started by a specific person, it might come in handy (it might be easier to just google it in that case). The only other situation where it might make a difference is that good questions tend to get good answers. If you know who's better at asking good questions, it could help to see who started the topic.

I'm not advocating one position or the other, just trying to answer the question.

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Post by Banshaku » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:42 pm

For the author in the list of thread, if I'm "joy browsing" and find back topics by an interesting author, I may want to read it again. If I'm a new reader and I remember some specific author that had interesting threads, I may read them. So it's quite subjective but still, why removing information that was already there? Now I have to click a topic to find who wrote it. Some information has more value for some people than others. The last person that posted has less value than the author of the thread.

As for the layout, I think that personally is thinking a little bit too much (eye strain thing) for just some scrapping a website. My reasoning behind the layout is more an emotional one than a practical one: I want it to be close to the original has possible. For new readers, it may makes no difference but for us old "geezers", there is some memory attached to those threads.

That's only my opinion though! :)

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Post by UncleSporky » Wed May 02, 2012 5:21 am

I agree, it'd be easier if it looked more similar to the current forums, but I understand if limitations prevent that.

Will threads with images look the same? I made quite a few posts about graphics and I'd like to see them preserved. As long as they still point to the photobucket images, they'll be visible indefinitely.

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Post by tepples » Wed May 02, 2012 7:12 am

Images have a max-width: 100% which means they will be displayed but will be shrunk if they would widen the page. To view full size, right-click and choose View Image. An example is the oscilloscope screenshot in this post (original).

For "joy browsing", I have changed the username in the post header into a link to the user's posting history.

Known bug: I still need to add a line of CSS to put class="code" in a monospace font.

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Post by Banshaku » Wed May 02, 2012 4:51 pm

tepples wrote:For "joy browsing", I have changed the username in the post header into a link to the user's posting history.
That is useful "but" that doesn't allow me to check which thread a user started, just what he posted. If I can look page per page and check who made that thread, in some case it is better I think when I browse a specific forum. This could be a personal preference. Is it something hard to add to the scrapper?

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Post by Kit Sniper » Wed May 02, 2012 6:07 pm

UncleSporky wrote:I agree, it'd be easier if it looked more similar to the current forums, but I understand if limitations prevent that.

Will threads with images look the same? I made quite a few posts about graphics and I'd like to see them preserved. As long as they still point to the photobucket images, they'll be visible indefinitely.
... Photobucket has a habit of deleting images at random, so if a backup is made, the pictures should ideally be backed up too. :\

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Post by snarfblam » Wed May 02, 2012 6:16 pm

Not that it wouldn't be nice to backup the images, but the images aren't hosted by NesDev in the first place. In any other circumstance they would expire after their natural life. And I can understand a "while we're at it" mentality, but images can be bandwidth hogs.

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Post by tepples » Thu May 03, 2012 4:13 am

As for images, I could do that in theory. I'll have to add a tool to my phpBB scanner to see how many images there are. Going forward on the new forum, I think the best option would be for users to make wiki accounts and upload the images to the wiki. I'll have more to say after my own experience with QuestyCaptcha continues. QuestyCaptcha is similar to the Q&A CAPTCHA described here, and from my first week of using it, it appears far more effective than Google's reCAPTCHA.

As for browsing topics whose first post is by a given user, I had no idea this was such a desirable use case. I can get the information with one extra JOIN in the get topic or get posting history query; the problem is just how to present the results.

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Post by Banshaku » Thu May 03, 2012 6:55 pm

tepples wrote:As for browsing topics whose first post is by a given user, I had no idea this was such a desirable use case. I can get the information with one extra JOIN in the get topic or get posting history query; the problem is just how to present the results.
I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing though. Right now, what I'm talking about is that I want the list of topic in an archived forum to contain the name of the author beside the title. Adding an extra search feature to find all topics from a poster was not what I meant, although interesting as a concept.

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Post by UncleSporky » Sun May 06, 2012 7:22 pm

Kit Sniper wrote:... Photobucket has a habit of deleting images at random, so if a backup is made, the pictures should ideally be backed up too. :\
You must be thinking of imageshack or tinypic. I've never heard of Photobucket deleting pics unless they're offensive. I have an actual Photobucket account that I can log into to view pics I've uploaded and albums I've set up. It's not paid or anything, but I believe as long as I show a certain amount of minimum activity it won't be disappearing anytime soon. Nothing's been randomly deleted from my account since I opened it 8 years ago.

However it is true that the best possible archive would also contain the pictures so they can never expire. A lot of potentially-useful threads here are already wastelands due to linked pictures and files having expired long ago.

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