Famiclone multicart - problems on power-up

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krzysiobal
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Famiclone multicart - problems on power-up

Post by krzysiobal » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:00 am

I had this 350-in-1 multicart:
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It does not work at all in most of my famiclones, except one, on which it starts without problems on 8/10 powerups, on 1/10 it has glitched menu graphics and on 1/10 some random game is started instead of menu.

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I suspected reset circuit to be cause of problems and examined signals on them - indeed, reset, fed to latches is oscillating (version with 74LS02). I replaced the gate with different LS02 chip but same result - and I tested both gates on logic tester and they are OK. The interval of oscillations is 50 Hz (20ms) so probably some noise from mains.
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Then I replaced LS02 with HC02 and it works fine:
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Any idea what is cause of troubles? Does thus LS gate have some kind of retardance when sourcing surrent?

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Re: Famiclone multicart - problems on power-up

Post by FARID » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:24 am

The diode seems to be inverted.
This works perfect for me :
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Re: Famiclone multicart - problems on power-up

Post by lidnariq » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:08 am

krzysiobal wrote:Any idea what is cause of troubles? Does thus LS gate have some kind of retardance when sourcing surrent?
74LS (also letterless, F, S, L, ALS, a few others) logic is current mode; inputs have to source current in order for an output to be able to signal a logic "0". For 74LS parts, that's up to 400µA.

I have to guess that the external 2.2kΩ resistor in parallel with the 74LS input pullup was just barely enough to change the time constant to something too short to work consistently. Removing the 2.2kΩ resistor ought to be equally functional as replacing the part with a 74HC part.

(edit: I have to admit that I'm more than a little surprised that the difference between 2300µA (5V/2.2kΩ) and 2700µA would be enough to make a difference)

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