Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

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krzysiobal
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Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

Post by krzysiobal » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:08 pm

One man gave me NTSC NES to fix. The problem was that all games were running correctly, but instead of background - there was just random checkboard of tiles (sprites are displayed correctly). At first glance I thought that VRAM is broken, but no.. it is the PPU itself!

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I replaced it with UA6528 and all works fine, but I kept that broken PPU for myself. Because I have not many NTSC PPUs in my collection -> I thought it would be good exercise to take closer look at the problem and maybe fix it.

So for all CHR-ROM games, it displays just random set of sprites:
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But if it's CHR-RAM game, there is complete mess:
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So now I was sure that PPU has problems with writing to its external memory. I thought that maybe !WR signal is broken, but no - it is asserted correctly. Then I wrote simple testing program that forces PPU to write 0 to consecutive addresses (attachment):

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	set_ppu_addr_to $0000
loop:
	lda #0
	sta PPUDATA
	jmp loop
and I viewed signals on logic analyzer what is going on (and compared them against another working PPU).

Good PPU (second photo is magnified view at the moment data is driven)
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Bad PPU:
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Now I was sure - PPU is not driving its data bus with data to be written, so instead of data.. low 8 bits of address are written!

Because the data that PPU writes to its memory always comes from CPU (and it is always from $2007), I thought of making small addon board that would latch all writes to $2007 and when !WE is asserted - output it, instead of `invalid` PPU data - good idea?
What about games that make use of raster effects?

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Re: Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

Post by krzysiobal » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:03 am

Haha, it works! I've projected the PCB as I described:
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But then I changed my mind and replaced buffer with just 8x1k resistors, because I wanted everything to fit under broken PPU:
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I even left place for soldering deglitching cap and /WE delay, but just ommited them -> everything works perfect! Welcome to second life, mr PPU =)

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Re: Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

Post by lidnariq » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:33 am

Nicely done!

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Re: Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

Post by thenendo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:10 pm

I’m in awe!

Have you tried any games with raster effects?

I wonder what kind of internal fault would cause this behavior by the PPU...

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Re: Broken RP2C02G - not outputting data during writes!

Post by krzysiobal » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:10 pm

I tested it against:

RasterChromaLuma.NES
RasterTest1.NES
RasterTest2.NES
RasterTest3.NES
RasterTest3a.NES
RasterTest3b.NES
RasterTest3c.NES
RasterTest3d.NES
RasterTest3e.NES

and results are the same like on UA6528 (NTSC-clone PPU).

Sometimes when I load any of those demos, background is blinking black-white (as visible in attached video) but after restarting console, it is displayed correctly so maybe those demos are sensible for CPU/PPU cycle allignment.

Comparision video - First half - fixed RP2C02, second half: UA6528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSraj76AYvQ

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