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60 to 72 pins DIY

Post by shiny » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:30 pm

Hi, I have a question. If I would take a famicom cart connector and solder it onto a pal nes, skipping (or grounding) security and expansion pins, would such nes play famicom games? Provided of course that the lockout chip on nes would be properly disabled (grounded).

I'm looking at this pinouts as a reference:

http://www.jandar.net/famiconv/rom.txt
http://www.jandar.net/famiconv/fam_pinout.txt

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Post by Memblers » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:03 pm

Sure. Ignore unused outputs, and wire ground (or VCC) to the unused inputs, and that would do it.

Seems like a painful way to plug in a cart though. There are NES adapters for FC carts, though I don't know where to get one.

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Post by shiny » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:21 pm

That's nice to hear. I'm thinking about it mostly because I don't know where to _easily_ find an adapter here, and because I have a load of famiclone carts which could be fun to play on a real NES (hi quality pads with long cables, multitap). And I have a spare NES too. Not mentioning the joy of soldering...
I presume using a famiclone cart connector (and games) instead of an original japanese famicom ones is not a problem?

Looking forward to playing 999999 in 1 on a NES :D

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Post by BMF54123 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:21 pm

You can probably find an adaptor on eBay, though I haven't looked myself.

If you insist on doing it the hard way, I would recommend mutilating a Famiclone, especially the "Super Joy" variety. The would could always use less of those.

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Post by tepples » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:24 pm

BMF54123 wrote:You can probably find an adaptor on eBay
eBay has long had a policy against them.

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Post by BMF54123 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:29 pm

Well, that figures. Can't have those dirty old Famicom games corrupting our youth, I guess.

(I understand it's a blanket policy meant to eliminate sales of modchips, but it's silly to include passive adapters for a system that's over 20 years old. Why not include Famicom games and systems as well, since we're clearly not supposed to be using them over here?)

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Post by tepples » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:14 am

BMF54123 wrote:I understand it's a blanket policy meant to eliminate sales of modchips, but it's silly to include passive adapters for a system that's over 20 years old.
You say 20 years. That's the patent term. Copyrights and trademarks last longer than this:
  • 20 < 95. Games are copyrighted, and adapters circumvent access controls in violation of 17 USC 1201(a) (and foreign counterparts in the case of eBay sites in other countries).
  • 20 < forever. Console names and game titles are trademarked.
Why not include Famicom games and systems as well, since we're clearly not supposed to be using them over here?
eBay is way ahead of you. Its policy on the importation of goods lists "A video game player or software that is the Japanese version of the player or game and not intended for use in the United States" as an example of a potentially infringing item.

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Post by sleepy9090 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:06 pm

I bought mine on ebayz off this guy for a couple bucks


CLICK ME

you would want one that goes the other way though, or i guess old gyromite carts or similar one have an adapter already inside them.

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Post by Celius » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:12 pm

Yes, I actually purchased a Yobo Famiclone that included a 72-to-60 converter inside of it. 72 to 60 converters aren't hard to find at all. However, it took me a really long time to find a 60 to 72. I found it inside an old Stack-Up cart. I actually bought a Gyromite cart because I heard they came inside of those, but to my disappointment, I opened it to behold a plain old NES board with no converter.

If you do find a cart with a converter inside of it, you'll have to saw these things off the sides of the converter in order to stick a famicom cart with it's case on in it. If you don't remove this things from the side, you'll have to take famicom games out of their case in order to put them into the converter.

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Post by BMF54123 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:39 pm

tepples wrote:lots of stupid crap
Yes, I know all about those God-forsaken infinite copyrights. That's practically all I ever read about here anymore. I personally think it's extremely stupid and pointless to restrict sales of adapters and games for a system that has not even been in production for 15 years (at least in the US).

I guess it's a good thing I don't use eBay anymore.

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Post by tepples » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:39 am

BMF54123 wrote:I guess it's a good thing I don't use eBay anymore.
What online person-to-person sales venue do you recommend now?

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Post by drk421 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:17 pm

I guess it's a good thing I don't use eBay anymore

What online person-to-person sales venue do you recommend now
I've been looking for an alternative to ebay for some time. Specifically for video games and systems. Ebay seriously sucks now, and I avoid it as much as possible. If there is no alternative, its time for ebay to get some competition.

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Post by BMF54123 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:24 pm

tepples wrote:What online person-to-person sales venue do you recommend now?
I haven't actually used any for a couple of years now. I don't buy used computer hardware anymore, and most of my import gaming needs are met by either Pink Godzilla or people I know online.

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Post by crade » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:44 pm

The famicom adapters are not Mod chips, Game enhancers, or boot disks.. So I don't see how they are covered by that statement.

They sort of hint that any device allowing play of an imported game is against their policy (the "these devices" is kind of ambiguous), but I'm pretty sure they don't blanket all devices that allow play of import games.

They sure don't seem to mind people selling crappy famiclones. I purchased my game converters from someone on ebay, and I've seen coverters of both direction come up there once in a while.

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Post by Roth » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:13 pm

There's an up and coming gamers auction site called chasethechuckwagon.com that is pretty good. I don't think there is much (if any) import stuff on it right now, but it's quickly growing. Prototype cartridges and the like can be sold/bought there, so I don't see why imports couldn't be as well.

EDIT: edited for my poor grammar hehe

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