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Post by tepples » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:11 am

crade wrote:The famicom adapters are not Mod chips, Game enhancers, or boot disks.
The Famicom adapters are shaped much like a Game Genie, which is a game enhancer. They share the same feature as Freeloader, which is a boot disk. They contain a mod chip to freeze the CIC.
They sure don't seem to mind people selling crappy famiclones. I purchased my game converters from someone on ebay, and I've seen coverters of both direction come up there once in a while.
eBay staff happened not to find those listings.


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Post by drk421 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:36 am

What would be the legal status of modifying a cart like "Just Breed" and using the english patch?

Is there any way to have a legally patched english cart?

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Post by Bregalad » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:56 am

Is there any way to have a legally patched english cart?
I guess you just have to buy the actual game. Tepples should confirm that however.
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Post by tepples » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:14 am

The closest thing to legal would be a "Lock-On" cart, similar in shape to a Game Genie or a Sonic & Knuckles cart, that watches for MMC5 bankswitch requests and patches the data as needed. I seem to remember one revision of Bases Loaded doing something like this. But if you try to sell these Lock-On carts, Square Enix still has more lawyers than you.

But as long as you're not planning to sell repros, you can probably get away with buying a Just Breed cart, dumping it yourself, patching your dump, burning it to flash, and soldering the flash into the cart.

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Post by BMF54123 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:18 pm

tepples wrote:They contain a mod chip to freeze the CIC.
So a few off-the-shelf resistors and capacitors jury-rigged together is considered a "mod chip?" :?

What if one were to sell just the adapter--a circuit board with traces and edge connectors--without the lockout-defeating components? (wait, never mind, I bet I know the answer to this one!)

What if I were to sell a piece of bread shaped like a Game Genie? Is it still considered a "game enhancer?" :P

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Post by tepples » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:23 am

BMF54123 wrote:
tepples wrote:They contain a mod chip to freeze the CIC.
So a few off-the-shelf resistors and capacitors jury-rigged together is considered a "mod chip?" :?
As far as I can tell, the resistors and capacitors become a mod chip once they are soldered to the adapter PCB. The fact that they're not in an IC package doesn't matter because eBay's servers are private property, and the company has the right to prohibit any listing it wants.
What if I were to sell a piece of bread shaped like a Game Genie? Is it still considered a "game enhancer?" :P
No, because it doesn't sit between the game and the console, either physically or (in the case of boot discs for disc-based consoles) logically.

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Post by clueless » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:18 am

Tepples, are you a lawyer? Just curious.

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Post by crade » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:25 am

The fact that they're not in an IC package doesn't matter because eBay's servers are private property, and the company has the right to prohibit any listing it wants.
This is really the bottom line with Ebay auctions. They aren't consistent. it's up to them what they want to allow people to put up for auction, and they decide on a case by case basis (usually when there is a complaint) which auctions to disallow. They don't need a good reason for them to cancel your auction or do other nasty things to you as a seller. It doesn't do any good to try to say "my product doesn't technically fit into anything you have in your dissalowed list" once they have decided to cancel your auction (or whatever).

Being in the dissalowed list isn't a death sentence either. A quick search for game genies will show you Ebay doesn't care if people, and ebay stores put up autions for game genies despite the fact that it says "game enhancer" right on the label and on the subject line of the auctions. I doubt that you would be able to get these auctions pulled if you complained that they technically violate policy document X by being a game enhancer.

They want to cover everything so they can pull any auction they want, but in the end it's entirely subjective.[/quote]

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Post by tepples » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:02 am

clueless wrote:Tepples, are you a lawyer? Just curious.
"IANAL but I play one on TV." I read Slashdot's "Your Rights Online" (YRO) section, which links to articles written by lawyers and paralegals, and sometimes I read a lot of statutes and analysis while trying to understand the background behind a given article. So I'd guess you could call me an "armchair paralegal". And I've had to read eBay policy for my job.
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Post by cybertron » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:08 am

BMF54123 wrote: What if I were to sell a piece of bread shaped like a Game Genie? Is it still considered a "game enhancer?" :P
What if you sold a Game Genie with a likeness of the Virgin Mary on it? What a dilemma for Ebay!

Well the NES one lets you do like 5 patches, but the Game Cube one basically lets you write an entire program to memory and run it with 1000s of patches. So that could be the reason for the blanket ban.

Instead of ebay you could try a local video game store (not a chain...), some of them have mountains of old junk like that lying around. Including a Gyromite cart with the adapter board inside.

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