Recca cart authenticity

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Recca cart authenticity

Post by Liquidus0 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:15 am

I just got a Summer Carnival '92 Recca famicom cart from ebay. The japanese seller has a good reputation and sold heavies like this in the past, but I noticed the board's connectors is unlike any ever seen.

I just can't find PCB scans of Recca on internet. And when I try to compare the connectors from the bottom of the cart, I see different shape of connectors.

The 2 first pictures are my cart, the 3rd one is from another ebay auction. Notice the difference between the 2 pictures of the front of the cart. My cart's connectors are rounded edge and the middle part is different too.

Is there possible that different PCBs were use for the same release ?

Can someone confirm that it is a legit copy of Recca and not a repro board ?

Thank you for your help. !

https://imgur.com/MFsQb6t

https://imgur.com/uGdlZo8

https://imgur.com/hYCYFB0

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by dougeff » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:56 pm

Apparently, it's both very rare and impossible to open without damaging the cartridge...which is why there are no scans of the board. And I looked for one.

Here's a picture of a fake, maybe that will help?

https://www.famicomworld.com/forum/inde ... ic=12625.0
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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Sumez » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:05 am

Recca is impossible to open without damaging the cart? It looks pretty much identical to most other FC carts, and there's a method to get those open without damaging them (though it's a little obscure). If there's a special case for Recca, I'd love to know, because at some point I'm definitely planning on opening mine.

Funny how I've run into this exact post at three different places that I frequent now. :) OP unfortunately came to the conclusion that his cart is a fake. Here's a picture of mine which I'm pretty sure (ie. which I hope) is legit.

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Fisher » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:37 am

Famicom carts are a little difficult to open without damaging at first, but with practice you can do this very easily.
You must use just enough force on the sides of the case to "disengage" the grooves then slightly pull it down and to front.
Try in some games you wouldn't mind breaking first, if possible.
Other option could be some x-ray machine, but I think that's a little expensive, unless you know someone who works with one. Maybe the guys at the airport can help? :roll:

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Sumez » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:50 am

It's crazy that no PCB photos exist of Recca, one of the most desirable NES/FC games to bootleg.
Are there any other high-profile valuable games where this is the case?

I have a few in my collection and might have to start having a go at it.

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Great Hierophant » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:17 am

I'm sure the NES Cart Database would appreciate photos and dumps of Recca.

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Pokun » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:21 am

Yeah that would be nice. It's a rare game so not many people want to risk opening it.

I've been successful using the quick grip method to open Famicom cartridges. One problem with Famicom cartridges is that since developers originally made their own carts there are so many types made from different kinds of material. Some gets hard and brittle while others get soft and mushy (like my Famicom BASIC cart), then we have the modern pirates made of brittle papier-mâché.

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Sumez » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:25 am

Fortunately, the Recca cart is very much the "standard" type of Famicom cartridge though. Completely identical to the one in that video.
I don't mind opening mine, but it's definitely not going to be the first one I attempt. :P

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by pakosup » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:37 pm

Most of RECCA carts on ebay are reproductions.
It's easy to distinguish by quality of label printing and how carefully the corners are made.

On factory labels you can see dot raster and probably not matched color layers (e.g. see attached picture)
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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Sumez » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:57 pm

There's 12 Recca Famicom carts on eBay now, which is rare, and most of them are even boxed.

I'd "naively" rule out the boxed ones because bootlegging those would be even harder, which leaves 5 cart only listings. Only two of them look suspicious to me (and one of them I'd deem 100% original simply due to convincing wear and tear), but although I have no surefire way of identifying wether they are bootlegs, I know one of them are, as it's the seller OP bought his cartridge from. Do you have a way of identifying wether the other four are real?

The western style NES carts are obviously bootlegs, but they aren't trying to pass off as the real thing.

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by pakosup » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:40 am

It is hard to say if some is real because photo quality not so good. Probably fakes have blurry photos on purpose.

this one has "striped" label. So it is fake for sure.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECCA-Summer-C ... SwDZtZvkC5

this one has too vivid colors, so probably also fake
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECCA-Summer-C ... SwpIxZdMNb

blurry photo, vivid colors. So highly likely it is fake
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECCA-Summer-C ... Sw0FJbcbYK

incorrect colors and shades are too dark
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-RARE-FAM ... SwZrdbQkre

this is real
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECCA-Summer-C ... SwpFtazcHY

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by aquasnake » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:30 am

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1. flash marks
2. pcb via
3. pcb golden fingers
4. solder mask of battery pad

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by aquasnake » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:00 pm

another fake:
fake TxROM.jpg
if you thought this cart were genuine at the first glance, you are totally fooled.

1. the bus routings are not at equal spacing, espailly at the corner of them.

2. the corners of PCB routing are not curved.

3. still the pcb via(s), have no UV curable paint.

4. no stamp holes, which means just using today's production technology of CNC cutting, not 1990s in Japan

5. always FLASH roms(usually EON or MXIC) not MASK roms, this is the most critical difference


this cart is so tricky, :)
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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by aquasnake » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:12 pm

there's no way to get a genuine RECCA from ebay or aliexpress, 99% are all fakes.

the only way is to go to Japan personally

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Re: Recca cart authenticity

Post by Ice Man » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:26 am

Wow, well done PCB for a fake though. Still sad.
I mean Aliexpress is obvious that there's no originals.
eBay need to look careful but there's more and more fakes in sale lately, too. :'(

I usually buy FC / SFC games from Japan directly only.
Not only is it cheaper but I can be more safe that it is original.

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