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Author:  MottZilla [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

kevtris wrote:
greatkreator wrote:
It seems to be a bit unpleasant to find out Super Nt is released...
However the fact that the both are useless fakes soothes the pain.

The battle of fakes is coming: who will be more similar to the Original?

It could be an exact hardware copy of the original but who needs it? Everyone needs a fake. Sad.


People got new TVs since 1992 and want a system that works on a contemporary flat panel display. Scaling options exist but they tend to be fairly expensive and add lag.


Some people still want analog video output too. =)

Calling these things "useless fakes" just shows you have some sort of anger directed toward them. They certainly aren't useless. And I don't see how they are fake as they aren't trying to be passed off as original systems. There were actually pirate clone systems that were packaged to look like the real thing and could be called fakes. If you don't like these new FPGA consoles, then don't buy one.

Author:  tepples [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

Perhaps "useless" was meant in the sense that it'd be too easy to write a program that works on one of these but inadvertently fails on an authentic Super NES.

Author:  MottZilla [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

Time will tell if these systems have such issues. But unlike the original silicon these FPGA designs could always be updated to iron out issues. Hopefully they won't have such problems with accuracy. But even then it's not like the gold standard (original hardware) is going to all disappear right when these become available. But the time to develop a replacement is now, before the originals are gone.

Author:  Erockbrox [ Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

What Nintendo should have done is released an updated hdmi snes and not the snes classic.

Thankfully we have people doing what Ninten-don't.

Author:  greatkreator [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

Yes right.
I meant exactly that.
If one makes a hardware clone it should be good.
What reason to make another hardware emulator made "by symptoms" of the work of the original console.
The symptomatic approach has already been satisfied by a lot of people.
A very good emulator but still an emulator.

The analog output is cool and I need it as well as the digital one.

By the way why not to use Retron 2 (or 3 I don't remember which one is a full hardware based clone of SNES).
Does it have any problems?

Author:  tepples [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

You mean "symptomatic" in the sense of empirical evidence of accuracy through black-box testing, correct?

As I understand it, you'd prefer a hardware clone based on white-box methods: have S-CPU, S-PPU1, S-PPU2, S-SMP, and S-DSP decapped, photographed on each layer, and traced, and then publish the result. From this, one could derive a netlist provably equivalent to the circuits in a Super NES Control Deck.

Author:  greatkreator [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

Yes. You understand everything absolutely right. (: almost a mind reader.
There are already a lot of software-based "black boxes" and even one hardware-based "black box" and one is coming.

It's needed at least one good "white box".

I guess it hasn't happened yet because it's too difficult to make such "white box".
It seems that's impossible to do by one person.

Author:  Fisher [ Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

Looks like pirates had already done some decapping back on the day.
But I think they really wouldn't share this information. :cry:

Author:  greatkreator [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

I would buy that information with a pleasure.
Pirates! If you are reading this please contact me.
I really want to have a good clone of SNES (not something similar to SNES's behaviour).

Author:  creaothceann [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

That'll be $400000 then.

Author:  greatkreator [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

That's was a joke. However my words are serious.
Please feel free to contact me concerning that matter.

Author:  vanfanel [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Introducing the VeriSNES (FPGA-based SNES)

@kevtris: Are there any plans to jailbreak the SNES NT Mini too? That's what I am waiting to get the thing.... A confirmation on your side is enough ;)

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