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Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Fisher » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:19 am

Hello.
A friend of mine bought a batch of old stuff.
On this batch, there's this weird gamegun:
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Since it has this DB-15 plug, the first thing I tought was it could be a Famicon or Famiclone gun, but it didn't work.
So I asked him if he could send some picture of the "guts" of the gun:
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Looks like it has some kind of force feedback.
It has some sensor on the drum too.
He's not confident enough to disassemble it further.
Unfourtunatelly I can't go take a look in person.
A Google image search only shows me more "real" firearms, some random electronics and some engines.

Does anyone have any clues about this gamegun?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by FrankWDoom » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:48 am

Neo geo also uses db15 plugs right? Are there any neo geo light gun games?

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Fisher » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:36 pm

FrankWDoom wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:48 am
Neo geo also uses db15 plugs right? Are there any neo geo light gun games?
I have absolutely no idea.

I'm trying to convince my friend to do some small tests with a multimeter and get some pictures of the board further disassembled.
Unfortunately he's very afraid of not be able to put it back together again and damage it.

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Gilbert » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:36 pm

It could also be for PC computers.
Around mid to late 90s, there were graphic accelerators specifically for games with may include their own jacks for controllers.
In particular, there were cards that ran Virtua Fighter, maybe Virtua Cop too, so this gun could be for one of those cards.

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Quietust » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:44 pm

Gilbert wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:36 pm
It could also be for PC computers.
Around mid to late 90s, there were graphic accelerators specifically for games with may include their own jacks for controllers.
In particular, there were cards that ran Virtua Fighter, maybe Virtua Cop too, so this gun could be for one of those cards.
The only 15-pin PC game port I've ever heard of is, well, the IBM PC-compatible game port from the 1980s and early 1990s: a DA-15 female port to which controllers (and MIDI adapters) connected using male connectors, the exact opposite of what this controller used.

Edit: Anything later than that would've used USB.
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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by lidnariq » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:17 pm

The PC's joystick interface would be a super-awkward way to get lightpen data, given that there already was a standard: The CGA, MDA, and Hercules cards (and some EGA cards too) did have a lightpen input, but all appear to have used 1x6 0.1" spacing pin header inside the machine.

"Clearly" that means this is actually an ethernet AUI connector. You just need an external AUI bridge and It will literally shoot packets onto your network :P

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Gilbert » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:19 pm

But I was not talking about the "common" PC game ports.
I was talking about custom ports on those graphics accelerators (though admittedly I'm not familiar with what actual ports these things used), though some of these cards may just support genuine Saturn gamepads, etc.

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I was talking about cards like this, though that card just used Saturn gamepads directly.
BITD before settling for a standard, where were a number of crazy add ons for playing games on the PC (besides the NV1, included a PowerVR card to play Resident EvilBiohazard and don't forget the 3DO Blaster), so it's possible that there were some cards back then with some obscure controller input.

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by krzysiobal » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:53 pm

There is a lightgun, called `Bandai Hyper Shot`, which was designed to be used in Operation Wolf game. It has built-in vibration generator, a drum-sensor, d-pad, start/select/B button:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/ ... t_of_japan

Maybe yours one is a clone if it?
I increased brightness of your picture but it seems to have only four wires coming out (two red, yellow, blue):
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Thought, brighter picture of the connector does not reveal how many pins are used (all of them seem to have a metal contacts inside, because all holes are small)
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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Fisher » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:44 am

Nice, it's showing some promise. :-)
I could convince him to take some more pictures:
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@krzysiobal does the `Bandai Hyper Shot` works on a specific version of Operation Wolf or the japanese version should work with it?
I ask it because my frient tested with Operation Wolf, without success.
Maybe there's something broken on the gun too.

I'm also invited him to participate this forum.
Hope he accept it, since this could make things easier. :-)

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Pokun » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:52 pm

The Bandai Hyper Shot works like the Famicom lightgun/Zapper. It just has some extra stuff like sound output and the trigger doesn't have the double-action revolver mechanism that Nintendo's gun has (the hammer on the Famicom gun and the spring thing in the Zapper trigger). Although it won't work correctly with Duck Hunt and other games that fires on the falling edge of the trigger transition, I believe it should at least be possible to shoot in those games by releasing the trigger.

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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by nocash » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:34 am

Fisher wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:44 am
does the `Bandai Hyper Shot` works on a specific version of Operation Wolf or the japanese version should work with it?
The game with Bandai Hyper Shot support is called "Space Shadow (J)", it's just said to be "a pretty straightforward Operation Wolf clone".
And "Shooting Range (U)" should also support that Bandai Hyper Shot thing.

"Operation Wolf" is a different game unrelated to the above "Operation Wolf clone", it does have Zapper support though (so theoretically it should work if you release the trigger (instead of pulling the trigger) in the title screen).

For the pinouts: Stick a nail or paper clip into the socket holes, and then use a multimeter to trace where they are connected in the controller (it's hard to say which console it might be used for without even knowing where VCC, GND, etc. are connected).
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Re: Help to identify unknown game gun

Post by Fisher » Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:51 pm

Yes, pretty bad pictures. :-(
I'll try to contact this guy again and ask if he can sell me the gun or give it to me as a gift.
I'm very curious about this!
If I succeed I'll sure get more/better pictures and return here.
Thanks for now guys. :beer:

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