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Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound (now full YM2413!)
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Author:  6502freak [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:41 am ]
Post subject:  Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound (now full YM2413!)

Hello guys,

I just finished a new release of my VRC7 mapper implementation for the Everdrive N8.

After some long hiatus, I finally managed to get the VRC7 /FM sound core running reasonably well! :beer: :D

I have uploaded the release to the following location:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=143 ... 2133932052

Enjoy, and happy hacking (since the core can of course be used with homebrew roms aswell)!

PS.: (in case you wonder) For this release, I'm using my name handle from the Everdrive support forum (Necronomfive).

Author:  Eugene.S [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Nice to hear this. Do you want to ask krikzz for add it to official mappers package?

Author:  Great Hierophant [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Video from an AV Famicom : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3tUocZ ... e=youtu.be

Do you know if the real cart is as quiet when it comes to the expansion audio vs the internal audio? On an original Famicom, the mapper's expansion audio from the EverDrive is very quiet in relation to the internal audio.

Author:  rainwarrior [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

This is cool!

Great Hierophant wrote:
Do you know if the real cart is as quiet when it comes to the expansion audio vs the internal audio? On an original Famicom, the mapper's expansion audio from the EverDrive is very quiet in relation to the internal audio.

The VRC7 board attenuates the 2A03 audio quite a bit. In that video it's balanced way too loud relatively, though probably you're going to have trouble getting loud enough output from the Everdrive to do it right. There's some reference recordings here:
http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=8639

Author:  6502freak [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Hi,

rainwarrior wrote:
The VRC7 board attenuates the 2A03 audio quite a bit. In that video it's balanced way too loud relatively, though probably you're going to have trouble getting loud enough output from the Everdrive to do it right. There's some reference recordings here:
http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=8639


yeah, I know.

The problem is that I can only adjust the volume in the digital domain, and in this regard, I'm already utilizing the full 13-bit range of my Delta-Sigma converter.

Meaning, if it needs to be louder, I have to scale the volume beyond the range of my converter, which means clipping the output when too many channels are played. I'm honestly not so fond of this idea.

Maybe I can find some trick by playing with the I/O drive strength and using a combination of push-pulling and tristating the audio pin.

Author:  rainwarrior [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Yeah, part of the problem is the VRC7 itself has a HUGE dynamic range from its logarithmic volume function.

6502freak wrote:
I have to scale the volume beyond the range of my converter, which means clipping the output when too many channels are played. I'm honestly not so fond of this idea.

I have not yet done testing on this (VRC7 is the last big reverse-engineering challenge in my plans for NSFPlay, still pending) but I've had reports that if you play it too loud it does end up distorting.

Even just clamping the max channel volume at ~11 might claim back a bit of headroom that Lagrange Point isn't using much.

Author:  Great Hierophant [ Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

This isn't the first complaint I have heard of the EverDrive N8's quiet audio. Perhaps an amplifier mod, similar to the one used for earlier versions of the SD2SNES, would alleviate quiet expansion audio issues.

Author:  byemu [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Very Well.
BTW, Is it possible to simulate VRC7 FC Sound with a altera or xilinx cpld?

Author:  Great Hierophant [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

byemu wrote:
Very Well.
BTW, Is it possible to simulate VRC7 FC Sound with a altera or xilinx cpld?


The EverDrive N8 uses an Altera Cyclone II FPGA, but FPGAs are much more capable devices than CPLDs.

Author:  lidnariq [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Can you even fit something as simple as a sn76489 in one of the affordable CPLDs?

Author:  tepples [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Old-school Xilinx CPLDs are sized in macrocells. Each macrocell corresponds roughly to one bit of state or one multiplexed output pin. Resources in a Lattice CPLD aren't quite so simple to estimate from the size of state, but here goes nothing.

A pulse channel starts at about 25 bits:

Period reload value (10 bits)
Period down counter (10 bits)
50% duty generator (1 bit)
Volume (4 bits)

A noise channel starts at 28 bits:

Noise period prescale (3 bits)
Noise period reload value (2 bits)
Noise period down counter (3 bits)
Noise LFSR generator (15 bits)
Noise waveform select (1 bit)
Volume (4 bits)

And some shared bookkeeping overhead:

Shared prescaler (8 bits)
Pulse density modulation adder (4 bits) - one channel is added every cycle, and this adder's carry is the output

Author:  Great Hierophant [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

An Altera Max II EMP240 has 240 Logic Elements and will run you $7.50 on Mouser for the lowest-end chip in the family. Using Tepples' example, which has 115 bits, you should be able to fit everything onto the cheapest chip. This is using Altera's estimate of 240LEs = 128-240 MCs, avg. 192MCs. Could you fit the slightly more advanced capabilities of an AY-3-891x sound core?

Author:  lidnariq [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Great Hierophant wrote:
An Altera Max II EMP240 has 240 Logic Elements and will run you $7.50 on Mouser for the lowest-end chip in the family
Why that particular part? It seems comparatively expensive and yet is still only 3V...

Author:  InfinitR [ Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Hello,

I stumbled on this while setting up an Everdrive N8.

Just wondering what would happen if you threw a guitar compression pedal into the audio chain.

Thanks for the development.

Author:  6502freak [ Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Everdrive N8 - VRC7 Mapper with FM Sound

Great Hierophant wrote:
byemu wrote:
Very Well.
BTW, Is it possible to simulate VRC7 FC Sound with a altera or xilinx cpld?


The EverDrive N8 uses an Altera Cyclone II FPGA, but FPGAs are much more capable devices than CPLDs.


My core is currently using 2910 LEs, which is beyond the capacity of any known "real" CPLD. Especially if you target the "desirable" 5V tolerant ones.

Btw, (in case you wonder) the reason why I am not posting at the Everdrive forum aswell is the failure to get my account reactivated (sent numerous password reset requests, but no response). If somebody would kick the admin, I might actually be able to answer to any kind of bug reports...

In addition of course to nesdev here. :)

Thanks so far for the positive responses!

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