Again, I'm not arbitrating things with words here; the precise meaning of friend is not important to me, nor was I trying to imply "this would be okay if it happened to a friend of yours"; I was just trying to explain the perceived situation that led to me using the word "disingenuous", because you asked about it. Obviously I can't know what you're thinking or who you have relationships with, so I'm sorry if it implied too much presumption, and I probably shouldn't have said it at all. The short version is just that I don't understand why you think this issue is important enough to raise so many times.tepples wrote:I don't know whether this is inappropriately splitting hairs as to the meaning of "friend", or whether it makes me inappropriately biased, but my most recent Skype conversation with Robert Pelloni was on Saturday.
I don't want to argue the validity of point b here; that's not what I was aiming for. I was just using it as an example, because it's something I have been personally irritated by, so used it to comment on the "axe to grind" problem.
Every one of these points on your list is a complex issue with a lot of stuff in it worth talking about. You can't just boil it down to whether it's true or false.
If you start a thread specifically to talk about one of them, that's great. A good place for discussion. (You seem to be trying to do 12 at once right here, though. Probably not the most effective method?)
If you bring it up as a digression in a thread about something else, still fine once or twice. You can have the same discussion, it's just in a slightly out of the way place.
If you start bringing the same argument up in thread after thread, this is what is annoying. This is the "axe to grind". If someone has a response they think is important, what are they supposed to do? Be a bigger jerk than you and respond everywhere you brought it up? Resign and just let you have your say everywhere? You're not creating healthy discussion anymore, you're just having a campaign for your idea. You're spam.
The annoying part isn't whether or not I agree with you, or whether or not your point is "the truth" or up to date. The annoying part is the repetition and lack of relevance, and these two things magnify each other. If something is very relevant, sure, why not say it again. If you want to make an extremely irrelevant point once, maybe this is not a bad thing.
Again, a lot of your less relevant interjections are actually valuable. I'm not trying to get you stop doing it entirely, because it's often been useful or interesting. Sometimes I do find it very frustrating, though. If this is an all or nothing proposition, I'd want you to keep doing it. I'd rather be annoyed sometimes than never get all the good stuff you do say.